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Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:52:26 -0700 > > >

Re: [patch] enhanced mac drag-n-drop

2005-04-06 Thread Jan D.
"Sean O'Rourke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: To make this more general, I think you should use or generalize the defcustom variables in x-dnd.el so that Emacs customizations in this area becomes available on several platforms. x-dnd-known-types, x-dnd-types-alist

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:50:07 -0700 > > I checked and I could not see any difference in behavior compared to the > approach in my first patch. > > Is this OK? Fine with me, but please respond to David's concerns.

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:22:26 +0200 > > > I checked and I could not see any difference in behavior compared to the > > approach in my first patch. > > > > Is this OK? > > I am certain I am

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:34:06 -0700 > > "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Some standard face definitions use colors like "red" or "blue". They > > > sho

Re: comint-prompt-regexp

2005-04-06 Thread Miles Bader
On Apr 7, 2005 10:55 AM, Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose the following doc change to comint.el. The reasons are > the same as for the similar change I proposed to the > shell-prompt-pattern docstring. I know of at least two modes, shell > and ielm, that use `comint-prompt-re

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comint-prompt-regexp

2005-04-06 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I propose the following doc change to comint.el. The reasons are the same as for the similar change I proposed to the shell-prompt-pattern docstring. I know of at least two modes, shell and ielm, that use `comint-prompt-regexp' even if `comint-use-prompt-regexp-instead-of-fields' is nil. ===Fil

Proposed changes to shell.el and misc.texi.

2005-04-06 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I propose below patches for shell.el and misc.texi. The main problem they address concerns `shell-prompt-pattern' and `comint-use-prompt-regexp-instead-of-fields', although the patch to misc.texi also contains various other changes and introduces a new node to better explain the subtleties of `com

Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group

2005-04-06 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Nick Roberts wrote: Its a bit more quirky than that, mouse-save-then-kill doesn't kill text if you click with mouse-3 twice (this is not a double-click). Also xterm mouse functionality is still available for double/triple mouse clicks by holding down the SHIFT key while pressing the

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:52:26 -0700 > > > > > > Agreed. The problem seems to be that tty-colors.el and > color

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Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:52:26 -0700 > > > > Agreed. The problem seems to be that tty-colors.el and color-name-rgb-alist > > don't use the same of scaling. > >

emacs -nw segfaults toggling menu bar mode

2005-04-06 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
with a 2005-04-06 cvs update, and configured w/ no options, i built and then started emacs like so: emacs -nw -q --no-site-file then i did: M-x menu-bar-mode this turned off the menu bar as expected. then i did: M-x menu-bar-mode this segfaulted. poking around w/ gdb, i eventually cam

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Furthermore, it means you cannot just put a breakpoint on (or anywhere inside) redisplay_internal and then execute some code to generate a specific error... The blinking cursor timer will trigger that breakpoint every second, making it practically impossible to debug such probl

Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The console clearly is exclusively a feature of the kernel. > > The console is implemented by the kernel, but you use it to log in > to the whole system. There are embedded Linux systems that are most definitely not GNU, and for example the syste

Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group

2005-04-06 Thread Richard Stallman
The console clearly is exclusively a feature of the kernel. The console is implemented by the kernel, but you use it to log in to the whole system. Thus, both "Linux console" and "GNU/Linux console" are justifiable. If we call it the "Linux console", everyone who isn't a wizard will misunder

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think you are laboring under the delusion that the scroll bar > actually displays something sensible, namely that mouse-2 exactly at > the bottom of the slider will take you exactly one page of screen > material further. I think you'll find that users are much less > surprised if this goal is

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> This is not covered in the manual and doc string yet, or am I missing >>> something? >> >> It's probably discussed in the section talking about faces. >> It's not specific to font-lock at all. > In the section about faces there is a subsection about face > attributes. OK, I was wrong: since

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I'm curious how _any_ program manages to do this calculation in a > reasonable amount of time; do they really lay-out the _entire_ > document ahead of time? AFAIK, yes. HTML rendering engines do the rendering "eagerly" as they receive the HTML data. They typically do it in a separate thread, s

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Apr 6, 2005 11:32 PM, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> that I'd like to implement in order to conform to standards in my >> environment, the vertical slider size shows a proportion of _ displayed >> lines_ not document characters or real line

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X (was: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior)

2005-04-06 Thread Miles Bader
On Apr 6, 2005 11:32 PM, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that I'd like to implement in order to conform to standards in my > environment, the vertical slider size shows a proportion of _ displayed > lines_ not document characters or real lines (those that end with a CR > or LF). Whether

Re: [patch] enhanced mac drag-n-drop

2005-04-06 Thread Jan D.
"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: To make this more general, I think you should use or generalize the defcustom variables in x-dnd.el so that Emacs customizations in this area becomes available on several platforms. x-dnd-known-types, x-dnd-types-alist, and x-dnd-default-test-function are useles

.mailcap on Windows / launching file attachments with "meadow" or "cygstart" etc.

2005-04-06 Thread John Owens
Using GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2005-01-30 I run the "Wanderlust" mailer under emacs on both WinXP and OS X. In that mailer I would like to launch file attachments in mail messages (so that when I receive a PDF I can launch Acrobat to view it). Wanderlust uses the MIME libr

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Ralf Angeli
* Stefan Monnier (2005-04-06) writes: >>> I think (face FACE [PROP VAL]...) would be clearer. > >> AFAICS the "face FACE" part isn't even necessary; you can pass a >> property/value-only list to `font-lock-keywords' and it will work as >> well (you might have to disable global-font-lock-mode befor

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:17:11 -0700 > >> > >> This comment in tty-colors.el:tty-color-standard-values > >> > >> ;; Translate t

Re: [patch] enhanced mac drag-n-drop

2005-04-06 Thread Sean O'Rourke
"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > To make this more general, I think you should use or generalize the > defcustom variables in x-dnd.el so that Emacs customizations in this > area becomes available on several platforms. x-dnd-known-types, x-dnd-types-alist, and x-dnd-default-test-function are

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Actually, it does not make sense to scale in that way. #3a7 really >> should be the same as #, so that #fff is the same as >> #, pure white. > > That could be so, but: > > (1) The #

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:17:11 -0700 > > [snip] > So I think the code in tty-colors.el is correct in this matter. It > is, however, possible that the RGB values in color-name-rgb-alist were

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:17:11 -0700 >> >> This comment in tty-colors.el:tty-color-standard-values >> >> ;; Translate the string "#XXYYZZ" into a list >> ;; of numbers (XX YY ZZ). If t

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:36:27 +0200 > > >The R, G, and B represent single hexadecimal digits. When > >fewer than 16 bits each are specified, they represent the > >

Re: face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:17:11 -0700 > > This comment in tty-colors.el:tty-color-standard-values > > ;; Translate the string "#XXYYZZ" into a list > ;; of numbers (XX YY ZZ). If the primary colors > ;; are specified with l

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I think (face FACE [PROP VAL]...) would be clearer. > AFAICS the "face FACE" part isn't even necessary; you can pass a > property/value-only list to `font-lock-keywords' and it will work as > well (you might have to disable global-font-lock-mode before trying > this): > (progn > (pop-to-buff

Re: Scrollbar size flaky on OS X

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> That's exactly what it represent: the ratio slider/total is the same as >> the >> ratio shownchars/buffercharsize. But depending on where you are in the >> buffer the window will not always show the same number of chars, so the >> size >> of the slider changes accordingly. > Not sure if that g

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I acknowledge your explanations on the other points - thanks. In the UI that > I'd like to implement in order to conform to standards in my environment, > the vertical slider size shows a proportion of _ displayed lines_ not > document characters or real lines (those that end with a CR or LF). Wh

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Ralf Angeli
* Kim F. Storm (2005-04-06) writes: > I think (face FACE [PROP VAL]...) would be clearer. AFAICS the "face FACE" part isn't even necessary; you can pass a property/value-only list to `font-lock-keywords' and it will work as well (you might have to disable global-font-lock-mode before trying this)

Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about wxwidgets? > > I don't know anything about them technically, but if they make > the job easier and they are free software, there is no theoretical > reason we could not use them. > > However, our priority should be GTK, I think. wxwidg

Re: Scrollbar size flaky on OS X (was: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior)

2005-04-06 Thread David Reitter
Addendum: That's exactly what it represent: the ratio slider/total is the same as the ratio shownchars/buffercharsize. But depending on where you are in the buffer the window will not always show the same number of chars, so the size of the slider changes accordingly. Not sure if that gets updat

Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X (was: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior)

2005-04-06 Thread David Reitter
On 6 Apr 2005, at 15:08, Stefan Monnier wrote: Under OS X, Emacs behaves very strangely with regard to the scrollbars and sliders. When you just click on a slider without moving it (after you've scrolled to the middle of the document), you will see that the text scrolls right away, often far beyo

Re: [patch] enhanced mac drag-n-drop

2005-04-06 Thread Jan D.
The included patch to src/macterm.c extends Carbon Emacs' drag-n-drop to handle directories, URLs, and text. To use it, the included Lisp code also needs to be added to the appropriate Lisp file, probably lisp/term/mac-win.el. This is my first foray into Emacs C-hackery, so although it's been wor

Bad ispell.el <-> aspell-0.60 interactions in utf8

2005-04-06 Thread Agustin Martin
(please cc me replies, I am not subscribed to emacs-devel) Hi, Just to let you know about a problem that has been reported to Debian and that seems caused by a undesired interaction between ispell.el and aspell-0.60 when the environment (really LC_CYPE) is utf8, http://bugs.debian.org/299725 In

Search-based Fontification.

2005-04-06 Thread Lute Kamstra
I've updated the node Search-based Fontification in the lisp manual. I also adapted the docstring of font-lock-keywords. Ok to commit? Lute. 2005-04-06 Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * modes.texi (Search-based Fontification): Fix cross references. Use consistent terminology

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Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior

2005-04-06 Thread Richard Stallman
What about wxwidgets? I don't know anything about them technically, but if they make the job easier and they are free software, there is no theoretical reason we could not use them. However, our priority should be GTK, I think. ___ Emacs-devel mail

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Lute Kamstra
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> (I'm updating the node Search-based Fontification in the lisp manual.) >> The lisp manual says that a FACESPEC can be a list of the form > >> (face FACE PROP1 VAL1 PROP2 VAL2...) > >> whereas the docstring of font-lock-keywords says that this can be

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Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> for example to handle scrollbars correctly. >> Please report any complaint you have against the scrollbar with >> M-x report-emacs-bug. > I have reported this in various places, for example on > emacs-pretest-bugs here: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-pretest-bug/2004-03/ msg00110.ht

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Kim F. Storm
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> (I'm updating the node Search-based Fontification in the lisp manual.) >> The lisp manual says that a FACESPEC can be a list of the form > >> (face FACE PROP1 VAL1 PROP2 VAL2...) > >> whereas the docstring of font-lock-keywords says that this can be

Re: Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> (I'm updating the node Search-based Fontification in the lisp manual.) > The lisp manual says that a FACESPEC can be a list of the form > (face FACE PROP1 VAL1 PROP2 VAL2...) > whereas the docstring of font-lock-keywords says that this can be a > list of the form: > (face VAL1 PROP2 VAL2 P

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> Yes, --bare-bones or --no-frills seem like good candidates, too. >> Since the option is primarily useful for debugging maybe its name >> should contain the word debug. > -debug-setup My experience when programming is that functions shouldn't be named based on what they're used for, but based o

Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior

2005-04-06 Thread David Reitter
You're confused about what is meant by "theme" in the context of Custom. It's new in Emacs-CVS and is still very poorly supported/documented, but the basic idea is that you can take your .emacs and say "here is my DavidReitterTheme". Oh, then I see - well that's exactly what I would want. That

Face specifications in font-lock-keywords.

2005-04-06 Thread Lute Kamstra
(I'm updating the node Search-based Fontification in the lisp manual.) The lisp manual says that a FACESPEC can be a list of the form (face FACE PROP1 VAL1 PROP2 VAL2...) whereas the docstring of font-lock-keywords says that this can be a list of the form: (face VAL1 PROP2 VAL2 PROP3 VAL3 .

Re: Inherited face appears as a function in customize-face buffer

2005-04-06 Thread Ralf Angeli
* Ralf Angeli (2005-04-06) writes: > I just compared this functionality in CVS Emacs with Emacs 21. In > Emacs 21 it is easier to select a face because there is this "Select > Face" button which presents you with a minibuffer prompt including > auto-completion of face names. Additionally you can

Re: patch to wdired.el to remove advising code

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Patch below removes all the advice-related code of wdired.el and set > this variable to t (after making it buffer local). Maybe any developer > here might want to review and/or apply it. Looks good, applied. > [ PS: I wonder if creating a variable `case-commands-skip-read-only' > would be use

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > >> Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Well, -Q has definitely its merits, especially for reporting bugs. >>> After seeing this discussion I still think that my `--bare' proposal >>> is not that b

Re: [patch] enhanced mac drag-n-drop

2005-04-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> "Perform the most common action for each type of item dropped > onto Emacs on Mac OS X. Currently, this means: > * File or directory -- call `find-file'. > * URL -- call `browse-url-browser-function'. > * Text -- insert text at point." I use my MacOSX system pretty much exclusivel

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Kim F. Storm
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --bare-bones seems ok. I have installed --bare-bones as an alias for -Q. Case closed, I hope :-) -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cua.dk ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http

patch to wdired.el to remove advising code

2005-04-06 Thread JUAN-LEON Lahoz Garcia
Hi, wdired.el advise some functions (query-replace query-replace-regexp replace-string) for avoiding problems with read-only portions of the buffer. But advising functions was not the right thing to do within packages included in emacs, whenever it can be avoided. Now, new emacs 22 variable que

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Andreas Schwab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Well, -Q has definitely its merits, especially for reporting bugs. >> After seeing this discussion I still think that my `--bare' proposal >> is not that bad: The -Q options really strips off all features yo

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Well, -Q has definitely its merits, especially for reporting bugs. >> After seeing this discussion I still think that my `--bare' proposal >> is not that bad: The -Q options really strips off all features yo

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Kim F. Storm
Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, -Q has definitely its merits, especially for reporting bugs. > After seeing this discussion I still think that my `--bare' proposal > is not that bad: The -Q options really strips off all features you > would normally like to have for daily work.

Re: Inherited face appears as a function in customize-face buffer

2005-04-06 Thread Ralf Angeli
* David PONCE (2005-04-05) writes: >> It looks clean to me. I have never understood widgets very well, >> so I don't know whether it is correct. But if it seems to work >> better than the present code, it must be a step forward. >> >> I wish someone here had enough expertise to be able to >> as

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> The difficulty in finding a long name for it reflected a lack of > apparent coherence of the functionality of the option. Nobody could > see what it was good for. That is why I thought of removing it or > changing it. Well, -Q has definitely its merits, especially for reporting bugs. After se

Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group

2005-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The GNU/Linux console currently does not appear to support > > `xterm-mouse-mode'. > > I think this should just say Linux console although I don't > really understand where the kernel ends and the operating system > begins. > > N

face colors on 256 colors terminals

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
On a 256 color terminal emacs faces should use very similar colors to the ones used on X11. It turns out that the color used are a bit lighter. Here's a screenshot of a modified M-x list-faces-display: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dann/col.jpg (the frame on the left is an xterm, the one on the left i

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Roberts
> The -Q option has saved me many hours debugging rediplay problems! If Kim finds this option useful then it surely makes sense to keep it? It presumably carries no overhead and, AFAIK, initial options aren't a limited resource . If no-one else finds it useful, why are we arguing about adding a

Re: emacs -Q not documented

2005-04-06 Thread Kim F. Storm
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is intended to be an option turn off all "extra features". > > On what criterion are these features "extra"? They are various "decorations" to the basic Emacs frame or functionality. Turning them off, skips over a fairly big (and complex) p