Re: virus targeting list?

2001-08-17 Thread Ravinder Ajmani
George, I remember receiving couple of messages in the format described by you, with an .exe file attached. In both cases, the name of the sender was garbled. As a rule, I simply delete such messages from unknown sources which come with .exe attachments. Regards, Ravinder PCB Development and D

Re: current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread Doug McKean
According to the Belden wire table, 10awg carrying 32 amps will produce a 35C rise above ambient. And according to them, the bundling factor is 1.0 for 1, 2, or 3 bundled wires. If you're qualifying anything up around 40C high temp, your wire's going to be 75C. 5C doesn't give you much ove

Battery Charger:Testing for CE Compliance

2001-08-17 Thread Scott Proffitt
Stuart, I think that not only has our EMC discussions not fully answered your original question, "what specific tests", but the discussions have completely left product safety requirements to the wind. Our company (a commercial test lab) tests many products of this sort for compliance to EU stand

Re: CE test suite for computers

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute wrote (in <200108171905.maa00...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com>) about 'CE test suite for computers', on Fri, 17 Aug 2001: >Agreed! Well, see my direct response to G. P. > >EN 61000-3-2 is driven by Euro power distributors >who don't want to correct for non-linear loads.

Re: CE test suite for computers

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Pettit, Ghery wrote (in ) about 'CE test suite for computers', on Fri, 17 Aug 2001: >Also EN 61000-3-3 needs to be considered.  Useless standards, if you ask > me. >  That's because you, like most Americans, do not understand the problems in Europe. Because the

Re: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that don_macart...@selinc.com wrote (in <88256AAB.00 640e1a...@edison.selinc.com>) about 'Manufacturing Hipot Testing', on Fri, 17 Aug 2001: >A Hipot standard which we must run for CE compliance requires that >circuit-to-circuit and circuit-to-ground testing be performed on a r

Re: EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Frazee, Douglas (Douglas) wrote (in ) about 'EMC and power supply', on Fri, 17 Aug 2001: >If the product in question is a PC, this is not >the case. Both the FCC and EU allow PC's to be assembled from CE-marked >components without additional testing. That is EXCEEDINGL

RE: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-17 Thread Scott Lacey
Don, I do not believe that circuit-to-circuit testing is required between low-voltage circuits. The test is intended to prevent shock hazards caused by insulation leakage between high-voltage circuits and low-voltage circuits. I would group the circuits for production testing and only test them s

virus targeting list?

2001-08-17 Thread George Stults
Hello Group, This is a little off topic but possibly of interest. I just received an email from a location in Mexico, from someone I don't know at some college, that contained the virus 'sircam.' I thought it might be of interest because EMCPSTC is the only forum I'm monitoring and responding t

RE: current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread Scott Lacey
Richard, The larger single wire, with appropriate ring lug, is actually the preferred construction. The two wire method is used in cases where something else in the system, such as a multi-wire connector, will only accept the smaller gauge wire. In that case each ring lug MUST be secured with its

Re: CE test suite for computers

2001-08-17 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Ghery: > Also EN 61000-3-3 needs to be considered. Useless standards, if you ask me. Agreed! EN 61000-3-2 is driven by Euro power distributors who don't want to correct for non-linear loads. (But who have no quarrel with correcting for phase angle.) I don't understand the drive for

Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-17 Thread Don_MacArthur
Dear Group: A Hipot standard which we must run for CE compliance requires that circuit-to-circuit and circuit-to-ground testing be performed on a routine basis. The test is applied for 10s. The products I deal with have many circuits (Inputs, outputs, etc.) so test time is excessive . To spe

RE: CE test suite for computers

2001-08-17 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Also EN 61000-3-3 needs to be considered. Useless standards, if you ask me. Ghery -Original Message- From: Frazee, Douglas (Douglas) [mailto:dfra...@lucent.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:19 AM To: 'Pettit, Ghery'; 'Stuart Lopata'; emc Subject: RE: CE test suite for computers Gh

RE: current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread Peter Tarver
Yes. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina Homologation Services peter.tar...@sanmina.com > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On > Behalf Of Stone, Richard A > (Richard) > > Group, > > can yo

RE: CE test suite for computers

2001-08-17 Thread Frazee, Douglas (Douglas)
Ghery, I believe 61000-3-2, Class D is also required. Doug Frazee Regulatory Compliance Manager Lucent Technologies, Broadband Carrier Networks Access Technology Division InterNetworking Systems (301) 809-4415 (301) 352-4730 FAX dfra...@lucent.com -Original Message- From: Pettit, G

RE: EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread Frazee, Douglas (Douglas)
I've read several responses that all indicate that the modified ITE MUST be retested for CE-compliance. If the product in question is a PC, this is not the case. Both the FCC and EU allow PC's to be assembled from CE-marked components without additional testing. See FCC rules and EMC Directive

Re: current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread Andrew Carson
As a quick and simple answer, No. In a single fault condition, one cable becomes lose / detached. The reaming 32 amp capable see the full 63 amps. The result smoke, flame, etc. Expressly forbidden in some standards and knocked out by others under the single fault conditions. Only way to do this i

Re: current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread SERGIO LUIZ DA ROCHA LOURES SERGIO
What happen, if one of these wire looses? Sérgio Rocha Loures Siemens Ltda. - Brazil Supply Chain - Quality and Engineering IC SC QE L Tel: +55 41 341-5755 Fax: +55 41 341-5058 E-mail: sergioro...@siemens.com.br >>> "Stone, Richard A (Richard)" 17/08/01 10:01 >>> Group, can you substitute on

EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread georgea
When I managed both EMC and power supply design groups in the '80's, I found the many tech magazine ads for open frame power supplies quite amusing. These always stated that the power supplies met FCC and other EMI requirements. How were these tested? A dummy d.c. load does NOT impose a parti

RE: Testing for the EMC directive

2001-08-17 Thread WOODS
John, thanks for that update. Now I have to wonder if I am testing our ITE correctly. We have an ITE that has a thermostat and heater for outdoor use. We have been testing the heating circuit to the click requirements of EN 55014-1. However, it would appear that one could reverse the CENELEC reaso

RE: AT&T 54014

2001-08-17 Thread Ted . Eckert
You can order the standard at the AT&T web site listed under Technical Reference 54014. http://www.att.com/cpetesting/54014.html Ted Eckert Regulatory Compliance Engineer American Power Conversion Corporation ted.eck...@apcc.com The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions

current carrying conductors

2001-08-17 Thread Stone, Richard A (Richard)
Group, can you substitute one large wire 6 awg. ( handlles 63 amps. max ) for two smaller wires ( 10 awg. carries 32 amps. max. ) in Parallel. They would 1/2 the current and disperse heat better. The accepting screw terminal would allow for proper threading and tightness of connection. since yo

RE: EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread Alex McNeil
Hi Amund, I have experienced a CE Marked power supply, which was used to replace an existing one failing EMC EN55022 as part of the system i.e. Product + Power Supply. This was purchased to the same specification but from a different manufacturer. It seems that power supply manufacturers tend to

Removable Lithium Battery Requirements

2001-08-17 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear Members, For a removable lithium battery used with a device (such as a celullar telephone) what are the applicable requirements for Europe and North America? PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 97

Re: EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote (in <20010816231829.IKX2732.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27]>) about 'EMC and power supply', on Thu, 16 Aug 2001: > So one question is how much do you load the power >supply when you test it - you may want to load it just as your ITE product >doe

Re: EMC and power supply

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that am...@westin.org wrote (in <20010816213234.4109 ..qm...@www1.nameplanet.com>) about 'EMC and power supply', on Thu, 16 Aug 2001: >1. We plan to EMC test a stand alone power supply (PS1) >2. We have an IT product which has passed the EMC test. >3. We want to remove the curr

Re: FCC rule interpretation (add'l info)

2001-08-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Hare, Paul wrote (in <200108162322.f7gnm8304...@gemini2.ieee.org>) about 'FCC rule interpretation (add'l info)', on Thu, 16 Aug 2001: >As a side note, I've seen an FCC application where the second harmonic of >the device was measured and reported to be at the lim