Swissair 111 - long winded even by my standards but an interesting article

2003-02-18 Thread Gary McInturff
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RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Gary McInturff
Couldn't agree more, Rich, and I try to get that team effort working whether I'm the host or not. Don't forget to tell everyone involved about the resolution to a problem if it does occur. Just a quick walk across the floor to tell the assembler directly, for example. You might be amazed

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Gary McInturff
Peter, Semantically you are absolutely correct. They cannot hold the shipment. Pragmatically, it ends up that way. If I can't apply the logo I can't ship the product, its part-and-parcel with the product for production level equipment. An occasionally Beta unit goes out incomplete, but that is

Re: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Gary: Your comment triggers another comment: Leadership. Typically, we tend to let the inspector be the leader for the duration of the inspection. The host can be the leader. The host can set the agenda (in advance, although the inspector need not be notified). First, is to decide

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Sylvia Toma
Hello Bill, The following is part of the UL Variation Notice. I understand your comments, however, 'hold shipment' (Item 3) is a term that UL uses. Sylvia Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Information For Manufacturers Variation Notices GENERAL - If the UL Representative finds items

Re: 60950 clauses

2003-02-18 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in F7E9180F6F7F58 40858d3db815e4f7ad1f2...@cms21.t-yuden.com) about '60950 clauses' on Tue, 18 Feb 2003: The index of my copy of EN 60950:2000 refers to non-existent clauses (e.g., 7.x, 1.2.13.14, etc). Is is safe to assume that these are

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Gary McInturff
Agree, with it all, except I signed the VN - right after it was cleared up with the UL engineer. The inspector was correct that it didn't match the descriptive file, it was also the case that it didn't matter from a hazard perspective, and to avoid the problem in the future we did need

RE: Infra Red

2003-02-18 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
David, IR emissions are subject to the limits and markings of EN 60825-1 which is referenced in EN60950. There are no EMC requirements for these types of ports. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International From: David Sproul [mailto:david.spr...@alexanderlynn.co.uk] Sent:

Re: Satellite receiver

2003-02-18 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rob Humphrey rob.humph...@reuters.com wrote (in 200302181444.h1ieikn00...@orion2.ieee.org) about 'Satellite receiver' on Tue, 18 Feb 2003: I have been asked by the Turkish authorities to prove compliance to RTTE directive, 1999/5 for a satellite receiver, The unit sits

RE: 60601-1-2:2002

2003-02-18 Thread John Cronin
Hi I believe it has been published on 13 Dec 2002. Go to link http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/ at/2002/c_310/c_31020021213en00040011.pdf It is En 6061-1-2:2001and has a DOW of 1.11.2004 John Cronin From: Brodie Pedersen Reply-To: Brodie Pedersen To: , Subject: RE:

Re: flicker results with PWM circuits

2003-02-18 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that jules ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk wrote (in 2B924D0A9291D511B59300D0B7208EA808DE75@HEMC01) about 'flicker results with PWM circuits' on Tue, 18 Feb 2003: we have a customer designing and manufacturing Pulse Width Modulation power controllers. These are used in the heating

RE: 60950 clauses

2003-02-18 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
My copy has at the bottom of the first page, Ref. No. EN 60950:2000 E and does not include a clause 7. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International From: boconn...@t-yuden.com [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:18 PM To:

Re: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-18 Thread Cortland Richmond
Dries, it sounds very much as if that short shield is acting as a (low-value) bypass capacitance. If, as you say, no shield is permitted, then your customers will audit with no shield, and the product will fail no matter what tricks you used to get around failure in your own tests. Then you will

RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-18 Thread Vanduffel, Dries
I'm measuring RE02 according Mil Std 461C. the Standard says that 'signal cables' have to be at least 2meters long lay and on the table. My cables are twisted pairs and not allowed to be shielded. Around 30MHz I get hugh outages. The total cable length is 3 meters (this length is only chosen to

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Sylvia Toma
Hello Alice, One scenario that an auditor can hold shipment is the system under audit employs a different power supply (different manufacturer name and/or model number) than the one stated in the Procedure or Critical Component list of the Test Report. Power supply is a critical component

60950 clauses

2003-02-18 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
The index of my copy of EN 60950:2000 refers to non-existent clauses (e.g., 7.x, 1.2.13.14, etc). Is is safe to assume that these are typos ? R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc.

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks I second Rich's comments - the same things have happened to me a few years ago, and did result in a temporary shutdown on one occasion but rapid discussions with the agency engineer gave us a few weeks to fix the problem and so we could restart production virtually straightaway. The

Re: flicker results with PWM circuits

2003-02-18 Thread don_borow...@selinc.com
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. If the load in question is a resistance heating load, I can see two ways around the problem: 1. Use a circuit much like a triac light dimmer. Make sure the control is smooth enough that the flicker standard is met - no sudden changes in current.

RE: 60601-1-2:2002

2003-02-18 Thread Brodie Pedersen
I would suggest using the new version as it has been recognized by the FDA for submission in your 510K. I had thought it was published in the OJ also but I must have been mistaken. Brodie Pedersen Nonin Medical Inc. From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Monday, February 17,

RE: Measuring Power Supply Output Current

2003-02-18 Thread David Gelfand
I have found that using ammeters at low voltages, the input resistance will interfere with the current measurement and give you a lower value. I use precision 0.1 ohm resistors in parallel, and measure the voltage across the resistors. Best regards, David. David Gelfand Approvals/Design

flicker results with PWM circuits

2003-02-18 Thread jules
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Dear all, we have a customer designing and manufacturing Pulse Width Modulation power controllers. These are used in the heating ventilation industry , within factories and hotels etc. due to the nature of the design switching full power on and

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2003-02-18 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
Type Test voltages are not the same as the unit's ratings. If the unit is based on a 1010-1 or 950 standard, the voltage range for Type Tests must be 10% less and 6% greater than the unit's ratings. The FUS report will not include the unit's Test Report; as an individual FUS report is intended

re:Measuring Power Supply Output Curren

2003-02-18 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
Assuming the ripple portion of the current signal does not have a significant crest factor, a decent digital multimeter accross a shunt (both shall be calibrated units) will provide acceptable data. If the unit cannot maintain a current level, than the load must be reduced. In general,

Satellite receiver

2003-02-18 Thread Rob Humphrey
Group, Grateful for your views... I have been asked by the Turkish authorities to prove compliance to RTTE directive, 1999/5 for a satellite receiver, The unit sits between a satellite dish and our private network, it extracts IP content from DVB Mpeg2 stream and delivers it via fast ethernet

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
In the real world, however, such jugements are made by the safety agency factory inspectors. Unfortunately, our factories have received several variance notices in the past, but not a single one has resulted in an immediate line shut-down by the inspector. In some cases, it is obvious that a

Information required about inductive coupling network.

2003-02-18 Thread Luke Turnbull
Dear Group, I am looking for information on the following item: Inductive Coupling Network Model ICN-101 (7kHz-10MHz) RB Enterprises 20 Clipper Road W. Conshohocken, PA 19428 I would particularly like to know self inductance, self resonant frequency and resonant impedance, but if anyone has a

RE: product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Gregg Kervill
When the product differs from your product description - (most) auditors are expressly forbidden to make engineering judgments - therefore is it says Painted Steel in the narrative description and its actually Anodized Aluminum then he will have no option but to stop shipment. Best regards

RE: Measuring Power Supply Output Current

2003-02-18 Thread gr...@test4safety.com
The usual reason for doing this is to eliminate testing when the configuration changes. e.g. If the power remains the same then the thermals will be within the same ball-park. To benefit from this most you should load up the module (extra resistor on each card - or perhaps a dummy card full of

product safety audit scenario

2003-02-18 Thread Lay Siang Saw
Hi all, Can anyone share with me under what conditions an auditor is allowed to stop shipments ? Thanks,alice -- Forwarded by Lay Siang Saw/MY/Asia/Celestica on 02/18/2003 06:09 PM --- Lay Siang Saw 02/18/2003 10:50 AM To:

RE: OATS Building

2003-02-18 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Ed points to an interesting fact about working in a OATS. 'Exposure': heat and humidity during several weeks in summer, snow and what have you (gale) in winter. Mind you, there is quite a period in-between the extremes that working in an OATS can be quite pleasant. In the context of the