RE: Bad Fuse vs. Good Fuse

2003-05-23 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: POWELL, DOUG [ mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Bad Fuse vs. Good Fuse Hello all, Recently, in my company, we've been discussing what exactly constitutes a good or bad fuse. In this industry we

Bad Fuse vs. Good Fuse

2003-05-23 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Hello all, Recently, in my company, we've been discussing what exactly constitutes a good or bad fuse. In this industry we often hear that the trouble with a defective product was, the fuse was bad. I occurred to me that the fuse is not bad, it performed exactly intended. In fact if the

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Richard: is the below information true for both the AC and DC hipot methods? Some companies have contractors,subcontractors, incoming and final hipot... so it does and can occur at least 4 times, before its shipped to a customer. The theory says that the onset of the

Re: AC shut-down

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that simon_...@emc.com wrote (in 277DD60FB639D511AC 0400b0d068b71e0b435...@corpmx14.corp.emc.com) about 'AC shut-down' on Fri, 23 May 2003: I wonder if anybody can substantiate or debunk a rumor that in New York City, and maybe in New York State, there is a new requirement to

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 200305231749.kaa15...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com) about 'Safety testing after equipment repair' on Fri, 23 May 2003: I stand by my statements. You added a lot more information. In the light of that, I agree that your results are likely to be

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: There is a justification for a high-current test **where it won't cause any new damage**. The justification is that it will find bad joints in the PEC path, and stranded PEC and bond wires that have only one or two strands still intact. The high-current test will NOT

UK in-service continuing compliance testing (was: RE: Safety testing after equipment repair)

2003-05-23 Thread Peter L. Tarver
All - As a matter of curiosity, are there any records of drop-out rates (for equipment that was required to be removed from service)? Short of that, any anecdotes? Are the pass/fail criteria identical to those during type testing? Richard - You say, former piece of UK legislation. As in,

AC shut-down

2003-05-23 Thread simon_...@emc.com
I wonder if anybody can substantiate or debunk a rumor that in New York City, and maybe in New York State, there is a new requirement to shut off air conditioning systems in buildings in case of emergency, a post 9/11 measure. It is an important issue: Since the computer systems can continue to

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread garymcintu...@aol.com
I agree with Alice on the arrangement of Hi-Pot for new products, but I think the question was returned products for repair, correct. I read John W's note with interest, but I also remember a note from Rich Nute about a test he ran that pretty much pointed out that a simple continuity test

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: I don't think you can draw universal conclusions from just one experiment. In addition, the rate of increase of voltage is limited in the test procedures. In your experiment, there was only one increase of voltage, whereas in repeated testing, there are many. At best, we

RE: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Brian O'Connell
Ah Yes, emperical data; the essence of good engineering. Thank you Mr. Nute. I have performed similiar long-term tests (I hope my employer does not see this) on our iso xfmrs and component SMPS. I have recorded only (1) failure; root cause was a (latent) manufacturing defect: pressure indentation

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brian Epstein brian.epst...@veeco.com wrote (in 41c71af75675d54bb97c2fadcae7f994260...@exchange.di.com) about 'harmonics testing' on Fri, 23 May 2003: That raises and interesting question. The components are not in a rack or case, they are tabletop mounted. I would

RE: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread Brian Epstein
Steve, That raises and interesting question. The components are not in a rack or case, they are tabletop mounted. I would think that systems on a tabletop would be less in need of being tested as a whole, but para 6.3 doesn't say that. Best regards, Brian Epstein Sr Regulatory Compliance

RE: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Stone, Richard
Rich, I have only one question concering the deterioration, initally tested at higher cuurent for ground bond, then over months?(time)..a lower current would be used.. is there a chart for what current might be used? based on: age humidity of installation current running thru it continously. I'd

RE: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread Stone, Richard
Rich, is the below information true for both the AC and DC hipot methods? Some companies have contractors,subcontractors, incoming and final hipot... so it does and can occur at least 4 times, before its shipped to a customer. Richard, From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: Thursday,

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk wrote (in E19J8TQ- 000cv7...@anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) about 'harmonics testing' on Fri, 23 May 2003: Brian/John I notice that EN61000-3-2(2000) para 6.3 says Where individual self contained items are installed in a rack or case, they are

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk
Brian/John I notice that EN61000-3-2(2000) para 6.3 says Where individual self contained items are installed in a rack or case, they are regarded as being individually connected to the mains supply. The rack or case need not be tested as a whole. So, is it a rackfull of systems, or a system

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richhug...@aol.com wrote (in 014C7BA9.2FB45A16 .0ba45...@aol.com) about 'Safety testing after equipment repair' on Thu, 22 May 2003: For earth bond test we suggested that only a low current would normally be required because the equipment would have been type tested at a

Re: Safety testing after equipment repair

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 200305230123.saa09...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com) about 'Safety testing after equipment repair' on Thu, 22 May 2003: Some years ago, I undertook a test to determine when an insulation would fail if subjected to a continuous hi-pot voltage. I

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brian Epstein brian.epst...@veeco.com wrote (in 41c71af75675d54bb97c2fadcae7f994260...@exchange.di.com) about 'harmonics testing' on Thu, 22 May 2003: We make a product that has several components that plug into the power mains including a computer, two monitors, and two