Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread robert Macy
Interesting observation. You said hum gets louder. Implying hum is already there. What kind of phone? Is it only that one telephone instrument? Only occurs when LEDs are near the instrument, not near the phone lines with the phone in another location? Is the effect more pronounced at l

RE: Q on Correlation of Votage ripple with a Spectrum Analyser

2003-07-26 Thread Charles Grasso
Hi all, Actually I was using a good ole Spectrim Analyser so I sidestepped the windowing issue/software issues altogether. What I was(am)trying to do was match the max voltage as measured on a scope with the value as measured on a SA. I first calibrated myslef using a known source - a sine wave

RE: Q on Correlation of Votage ripple with a Spectrum Analyser

2003-07-26 Thread Cortland Richmond
Charles Grasso wrote: >> What I was(am)trying to do was match the max voltage as measured on a scope with the value as measured on a SA. << Try zero span on the SA. Compare THAT with the scope. Cortland This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc disc

Re: Q on Correlation of Votage ripple with a Spectrum Analyser

2003-07-26 Thread Ken Javor
I presented a paper on that very subject about a decade ago at one of the EMC T&D magazine EMC symposia. I used a Fluke Scopemeter and some FFT software that came with it. The Fluke interfaced to the PC through an optically isolated RS-232 protocol. It worked quite well from a pre-compliance or

Q on Correlation of Votage ripple with a Spectrum Analyser

2003-07-26 Thread Charles Grasso
Hi All, Has anyone tried correlating the voltage ripple as seen on a scope with the amplitudes measured on a Spectrum Analyser? I tried doing that the other day with ..umm. minimal success. I think that due to the comples convoltions that would have to occur when FFT'ing an irregular voltage

pulse modulation in reverb chambers

2003-07-26 Thread Ken Javor
List members, What is the limitation on minimum pulse width in reverberation chambers? I expect it relates to room size, but does anyone have either a functional relation or a rough order of magnitude? Light travels 300 meters per microsecond, so I would think a 1 microsecond pulse width would

Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread Ken Javor
You are making the same argument Mr. Woodgate did, but adding another mechanism for creating the rf emission. Note that I did not offer an explanation of the source of an rf emission, I simply postulated its existence. Then I stated my point of departure from Mr. Woodgate's analysis, which was t

Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote (in ) about 'self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps' on Sat, 26 Jul 2003: >I agree with most of Mr. Woodgate's commentary, but I wonder if the >presence of even an rf emission (as contrasted to 50 Hz) should cause >any problem to a land-line p

Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread Cortland Richmond
Ken Javor wrote: >> ... but I wonder if the presence of even an rf emission (as contrasted to 50 Hz) should cause any problem to a land-line phone with a wired handset. It wouldn't seem likely that the power available from a couple AA batteries would be sufficient for that. Now if it were a co

Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread Ken Javor
I agree with most of Mr. Woodgate's commentary, but I wonder if the presence of even an rf emission (as contrasted to 50 Hz) should cause any problem to a land-line phone with a wired handset. It wouldn't seem likely that the power available from a couple AA batteries would be sufficient for that

Re: self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Wan Juang Foo wrote (in ) about 'self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps' on Sat, 26 Jul 2003: > These circuits >were found to (well at any rate, seems to) emit interference that cause >a telephone to pick up (50Hz) hum! Up to that point, your treatment of

self blinking LEDs as EMI sources WAS: LED lamps

2003-07-26 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Dear All, I observe recently that some self blinking (and color changing) LEDs 'are' what seem to be a substantial emitters of radiated emission/interference. These LEDs are rigged up by hobbyists as decorative illuminators and acts more or less like the blinking lights for Christmas trees. I obs