Re: Electronic products operating below 50 Vac/75 Vdc

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Richard, Thanks for your advice. The products include battery-operated audio, video or photographic devices, i.e., MP3 players, portable media players, digital cameras, etc., and most of pc peripherals, i.e., pc cards, USB hubs, mouses, etc., attached to card slots inside personal computer or U

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
That's the place! From: Knighten, Jim L [mailto:jk100...@ncr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:30 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; Grasso, Charles; khar...@lexmark.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: OATS Ground Plane Material Aloha _ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. Teradata, a division of

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Aloha _ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. Teradata, a division of NCR http://www.ncr.com 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 tel: 858-485-2537 fax: 858-485-3788 From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, G

Thanks to all on CDRH phone No.

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. That was very considerate. I was able to reach the appropriate person and receive an answer on my question. What I did find out was the phone system was just changed so most of the old numbers are not good. The number that did work is - - - 240

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I fully agree with Chas, For further guidance on this issue please check out ANSI C63.7:Para.6.3 (1992) "American National Standard Guide for Construction of Open Area Test Sites for Performing Radiated Emission Measurements". It states: "Thick (several mm or more) dielectric material such as S

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Charles is right, the EMC Society does go back a bit, like to 1957. We'll be celebrating our 50th Anniversary in 2007. Any guesses where the symposium will be? Start making your plans to attend. Ghery S. Pettit From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] O

Re: Electronic products operating below 50 Vac/75 Vdc

2005-03-15 Thread richhug...@aol.com
Raymond, The answer depends on the type of products you supply. If you could be more specific the replies you receive would be more focused. Richard Hughes In a message dated 15/03/2005 17:55:59 GMT Standard Time, raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk writes: The scope of LVD directive include

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
HI Keith - Well the EMC Society goes back a long way and papers were written in the early days of the relative performace of different OATS constructions. The conclusion - do NOT cover the screen. Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I'm wondering if concrete would be a better "pavement" material than asphalt for this application. There are fiber reinforced "topping mixes" that may have the strength to hold up in a thin layer over the top of the hardware cloth. Some of these mixes are intended to be put down with no bond to t

Re: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
khar...@lexmark.com asked >> Has anyone attempted to imbed an OATS ground screen in asphalt? A new parking lot is going in near our lab and I have a chance to install an OATS. The stack-up will be gravel with 3" base asphalt and a 1" asphalt ...<< Keith, At one place I worked, we installed a g

RE: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
-Original Message- From: khar...@lexmark.com [ mailto:khar...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:55 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: OATS Ground Plane Material Has anyone attempted to imbed an OATS ground screen in asphalt? A new parking lot is going in near our lab an

Electronic products operating below 50 Vac/75 Vdc

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
The scope of LVD directive includes electrical products operating 50-1000 Vac/75-1500 Vdc. On the market, a lot of electrical products especially electronic products are operating under 50 Vac/75 Vdc. Why doesn't LVD Directive cover the products operating under such voltage? Can someone advise

Re: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Keith, I would be concerned with using ground plane material that would not interact with its intended environment. If there is interaction, then site attenuation requirements would likely become an issue, certainly over time, or it might be an issue to begin with. Will there be a well defined gro

Re: OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
The EMI lab I used to work for in the late eighties had the ground plane covered with a thin layer of asphalt on one of their sites. I believe they still have the same setup, so obviously they are meeting the site attenuation requirements even with ground plane under the asphalt. Regards, Ravin

OATS Ground Plane Material

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Has anyone attempted to imbed an OATS ground screen in asphalt? A new parking lot is going in near our lab and I have a chance to install an OATS. The stack-up will be gravel with 3" base asphalt and a 1" asphalt cap. I have plenty of copper screen and was considering putting it between the asph

Need new number to contact CDRH

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Good morning group. I need clarification on a technical issue from CDRH on a new product we have in the works. All the contact phone numbers I have for CDRH no longer work. All I get are messages that "this mail box has not been set-up". All my e-mail's have also gone unanswered. I have tried

Re: Grounding, Earthing of long cables

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Pierre, Out of over 2,800 electronics books in my personal library, Grounding and Noise Reduction Practices, published by SDS Data Systems in Pomona, California immediately comes to mind. This book was sponsored by the Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory. I can't find a copyright date or

Re: Grounding, Earthing of long cables

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
This (telecoms) isn't my field, so forgive me if I'm barking up completely the wrong tree but is the following of any use? BS EN 50310:2000 Application of equipotential bonding and earthing in buildings with information technology equipment Regards Nick. At 10:25 am + 15/3/05, John Allen wr

Re: Grounding, Earthing of long cables

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article <001901c52949$4d6a7120$0301a8c0@johnallen>, John Allen writes >There used to be an ECMA standard or Technical Report on >interconnections between buildings etc., which did address earthing >of cables in such circumstances but it no longer seems to be >available! > >C

Re: Grounding, Earthing of long cables

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I think you may be looking fr ECMA 97. The isolation requirements were then inclused into an ISO/IEC standard under the responsability of JTC1. However, I don't recall the number of the ISO/IEC standard... Richard Hughes This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

Re: Grounding, Earthing of long cables

2005-03-15 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Pierre & Friends There used to be an ECMA standard or Technical Report on interconnections between buildings etc., which did address earthing of cables in such circumstances but it no longer seems to be available! Can anyone identify which one that was? John Allen (from home - as I have now b