Hipot testing following fault testing

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Here's an interesting question that came up during a standards committee meeting. I'll base the question on EN60950-1 although this approach and the question it raises are universal. Fault testing is required in section 5.3 and compliance criteria includes hipot testing according to 5.3.8

RE: lab equipment connected to PC

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
John, The DAQ card in the PC is EN61010 compliant. The instrument (an 8 DUT FET noise tester) has the FETs inside the unit. The instrument ground is attached to an oven chassis which is grounded. But, the instrument could be operated stand-alone without the oven. The instrument is powered by a

Re: lab equipment connected to PC

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 3ef8180825045544b765c027d8e950ee0397e...@whl60.e2v.com, dated Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Barker, Neil neil.bar...@e2v.com writes It is not clear whether your external power supply is Class 1 (basic insulation + protective earth) or Class 2 (double insulated). If the former, then the

RE: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I agree with John's concern and suggest that a decision to retest should be made only after determining how far the equipment was out of cal and if that error could have changed the results. == Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex

RE: lab equipment connected to PC

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The return for the SELV output is not necessarily considered safety grounding. I do not know how PC Common is referenced. Construction requirements for either current path is determined on if the devices are Class 1, and what the max fault current the conductors would be required to carry. The

RE: lab equipment connected to PC

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dave, It is not clear whether your external power supply is Class 1 (basic insulation + protective earth) or Class 2 (double insulated). If the former, then the connection between the power supply and your instrument should be providing the safety grounding. If the latter, then providing the

lab equipment connected to PC

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gents, Situation: I am building an instrument that interfaces to a DAQ card in a PC. The instrument is powered by an external AC-DC power supply supplying +/- 12 volts at 100 mA. The instrument metal case is connected to the PC Common via the DAQ card cable. Question: Is this safety grounding

RE: Insulation coordination with respect to EN60950

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Vic, I have a pdf of The physical fundamentals of low-voltage co-ordination by K. Stimper of VDE. Contact me off-line and I can forward you a copy. Regards, David. David Gelfand, P.E. Product Integrity Engineer Mitec Telecom Inc 9000 Trans-Canada Highway Pointe-Claire QC H9R 5Z8 Canada 514

RE: EG G

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Tektronix also has wideband current probes. And there is Pearson. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology, Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of ted.eck...@apcc.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:40 AM To: ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re:

RE: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There have been many responses to this question regarding MRAs. However, I don't know if anyone is aware that the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) is in the process to eventually have their category certification clients at least ISO 17025 compliant. Also, as far as calibration interval, if

Insulation coordination with respect to EN60950

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello, I am trying to understand some of the reasoning/philosophy behind the values derived from EN60950 with respect to insulation/creepage/clearance/electrical strength. I started by attempting to read IEC 60664 but feel there must be a more user friendly introduction available. I would

Definition for Electronic Information Products (EIP) per China RoHS

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Group Members: A list of electronic information products per Article 3 of the China's RoHS, Administrative Measure for the Control of Pollution Caused by Electronic Information Products, is availabe (in Chinese) at http://www.mii.gov.cn/art/2006/03/16/art_722_8442.html

Re: EG G

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
EGG is a large company and you want their Albuquerque division. http://www.egginc.com/albuquerque/sensors.htm I can also recommend Fischer Custom Communications. They have current probes that have a reasonably flat frequency response over as much as five orders of magnitude.

EG G

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I am looking for a wide range current probe and someone has suggested a firm called EG G can't find any ref on Google ? anyone got a lead if they are still trading ? thanks Julian Jones - This message is from the IEEE

RE: The future of Open Area Test Sites

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello again, I also posed this question to the test site I mentioned in my question. Their reply was: Timescales for this are still a number of years off. The move to screened rooms will probably be driven by UKAS and Customers rather than specifications. Interesting!!? Regards Vic -

RE: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, The points you make are very valid, providing they are applied intelligently as John Woodgate has already suggested. However, if your laboratory meets all the requirements of ISO17025, it would be but a small step to gain accreditation, which would make your reports acceptable to product

Re: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message e1ba0362b28ed211a1e80008c71ea30603387...@z-160-100-30-252.est.ibm.com, dated Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@bocedwards.com writes if, when it NEXT goes for calibration whether it was found to be outside the manufacturers specification or not. If it is found to be outside

Re: Impedance wound motors.

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gary McInturff asked: Fan motors are often “impedance wound” to protect them in the case of locked rotor – or something blocking the blades. I’ve seen the term but don’t exactly know how this is accomplished. Can anybody clarify for me? Most Fan motors, shaded pole motors, and similar, have

RE: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Mike et al Our EMC lab is audited annually by TUV to ISO 17025 and the company as a whole is audited annually by BSI and accredited to ISO 9001:2002. As we only do in-house testing the cost/benefit of full UKAS accreditation for the EMC lab isn't worthwhile. The concerns regarding calibration

RE: Calibration of test equipment

2006-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Mike, the EN's dont usually mention much about calibration. I don't recall now any EMC standards saying that, but e.g. EN 60950-1 says how to calibrate the touch current measuring device. With regards to accreditation, the lab can assign the calibration interval as they wish but as it needs