Problem with UL web site at www.ul.com ??

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Greetings All, I have been having problems getting onto the UL website at http://www.ul.com for the past few days. I get the message, Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage. I can go to the other UL sites for Europe and Asia, but not the one for North America. Is anyone else experiencing

Re: Industrial Sub-Assembly for the US-market

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Okay. Is the NEC/NFPA 70 applicable for industrial sub-assemblies? I think no because ANSI/NFPA 79 is applicable (chapter 3 AHJ, labelled equipment). The big difference for our European manufacturers is the third party testing/certification in the US in comparison to our CE procedure

Job Postings - Sr. Compliance Engineer, Compliance Engineer

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Folks, Due to growth in several GPS and Marine radar market sectors, Garmin International has 2 openings for experienced Compliance Engineers and Hazardous Substance Issue Leaders/Project Managers. If you are interested, please provide the information requested at:

RE: Industrial Sub-Assembly for the US-market

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Michael, Be careful using the word “legal” and thinking only of the federal government. I have seen other people make this mistake. The people that normally enforce the electrical codes in the United States are the “local” governments, typically cities, townships, counties, etc. The

RE: Industrial Sub-Assembly for the US-market

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Michael: You are right. The compliance with the safety law in the workplace is the employer responsibility. However, the manufacturer (importer) will obtain approvals to be able to sell equipment and to have additional liability protection. In USA the following safety and emission

Re: Noise canceling headsets aircraft safety

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 006101c75206$86140990$0400a8c0@Pete97219Compaq, dated Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com writes: Would anyone know if there could be a cross receiver interference issue with multiple receivers inhaling the GPS signal and processing it? The wanted signal is so weak

Re: Noise canceling headsets aircraft safety

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I do not see the cited possible problem as realistic, because the GPS signal is so weak it comes in below the noise floor of the GPS receiver, and it is only by way of the processing gain based on the algorithm that the signal is actually received. Only a GPS receiver will be able to do that.

Re: Industrial Sub-Assembly for the US-market

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Mike, David, Two different answers or not?! David said: _ Correct. Mfr of the machine is responsible for appovals. There is no customs requirement. But if the subassembly is a power supply to be incorporated into an NRTL-approved unit, a UL or TÜV recognition mark (backwards 'UR',

Re: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 45d60bc4.3020...@dctolight.net, dated Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Fred Townsend f...@dctolight.net writes: The offending acoustical signal is converted to an electrical signal which is delayed Every frequency would need a different delay. It's much simpler to invert the polarity. With DSP,

RE: Noise canceling headsets aircraft safety

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All, None of the discussion so far had mentioned the potential interference with GPS signals. This was one of the major factors mentioned in an IEEE Spectrum article last year. GPS signals are typically low-level/weak signals looking for a receiver. GPS is being substituted more and more

Re: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gentlemen let me offer a new theory about a different type of RFI. Before I do that let me affirm what Ken Javor has written about cell phones. During the nineties it was not uncommon to see a handset in the center chair back of the seat in front of the flyers of several major airlines. These

RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We continue to digress, but it's a Friday before a 3 day weekend (in the US)! Reverse thrust props have hit the model airplane scene allowing for some pretty wild aerobatics. Model aviators have been standing stunt planes on their tails a few feet off the ground, hovering really, for years.

Industrial Sub-Assembly for the US-market

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi All, in my understanding an industrial sub-assembly which is intended for a machinery no mandatory US requirements do exist, don´t it? Also a UL mark isn´t required because the UL mark isn´t a legal mark (like the European CE marking). Is that correct? Comments are welcome. Mit

Re: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Brian: I am not certain if 'reverse' thrust on jets can be used to back up. Some years ago, some airlines attempted to save money by backing 727s out of the gate by using reverse thrust. I recall being on an Eastern 727 that backed out of its gate and into the alley at Fort Lauderdale.

Re: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In turn: 1) Cell phones should not cause a problem on aircraft unless there are aircraft radios in-band. The prohibition against airborne cell phone usage protects the cell system, not the aircraft. Thus, United's policy is a rational response. 2) While the terminal area may well be the most

Re: CE marking simple resistive device

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 03ed01c751df$ed86a690$580fa...@nceelabs.org, dated Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com writes: The device is obviously part of a social alarm system, for which there are requirements (50130-x). I suggested that they take a similar approach as a PC peripheral maker by

RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I seem to recall a quote from Igor Sikorsky along the lines of “talking about flying is a very pleasant form of insanity”, or some such thing. Yes, this OT, but it is pleasant. Ghery S. Pettit _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards Sent:

RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Interesting thread --- couple of comments: 1. United now allows cell phone usage on the ground prior to closing the door to leave the gate and allows cells phones to be used while taxiing to the gate after landing. Not aware of any reported problems. 2. According to avionics manufacturers, the

RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I remember very well an airshow I attended years ago. A National Guard C130 flew in and parked, and allowed people to walk through the aircraft. At the end of the day, as all the planes were leaving, the C130 fired up on the taxiway facing the crowd. Rather than making a really tight turn and

Re: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This is not a dissension from the group consensus that personal electronic devices (PEDs) need to be turned off during critical phases of flight, but it is a closer examination of what is really happening. The original event that triggered the action relative to PED operation was the final

RE: Noise canceling headsets

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Many prop-job aircraft have reversible pitch ('beta' thrust) props can back up; e.g. C130 Cessna Caravans, and many of the craft that use the venerable PT6 engine. I am not certain if 'reverse' thrust on jets can be used to back up. Probably need to explain some aviation terms here. 'Beta' as a

CE marking simple resistive device

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Fellow list members, I have been discussing the EU requirements of a passive, resistive sensor pad with a client for the past several months. The device is placed on the floor and if so much force is applied to it (a person steps on it), it triggers a separate device. The device is obviously

Re: Class I or II UK Wall plu power supplies

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 1f5308c5923f3b4daa51d189bf25500601eea...@edgmsmail01.eu.thmulti.com, dated Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Carpentier Kristiaan kristiaan.carpent...@thomson.net writes: If the PSU design is the same but there is a metal earth pin that is not connected inside the adaptor, can the Class II marking

RE: Class I or II UK Wall plu power supplies

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I do not know what the view of an approvals body such as ASTA might be, but I can see no technical reason provided that the insulation requirements between the live parts and the metal pin are met and can be assured. I am sure that the use of a plastic pin is both to simplify the design and to

Class I or II UK Wall plu power supplies

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi group, UK wall plug power supplies have a ground pin to open the slutter of the wall socket outlet. When the design of the power supply does not rely on Protective Earth, then this earth pin can be made of plastic. There is a Class 2 marking on the wall plug adaptor. If the PSU design is

RE: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
And that's one of the documents that's got errors in it... In some countries 100mW is permitted, although this can vary dependent on whether it is for indoor or outdoor use, and in the US I believe up to 4W can be used. I have also see some products claiming to meet EU regulations, which limit

RE: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I used for the frequencies. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc product/wireless/airo1200/accsspts/ap120scg/bkscgaxa.htm I thought the power levels were limited to 10mW? Regards Tim 6239 desk A1S77 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. _ From:

RE: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Everybody, I believe that the ITU does produce much of this information, but that it is no longer freely accessible. You have to buy the CD-ROM. That said, individual country frequency allocation tables do provide a bit more detail, but take time to research. The attached document may

Re: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 512830.53455...@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com, dated Thu, 15 Feb 2007, peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com writes: Ok - you guys start an excel table with the follwoing info and let's add to the list. Great suggestion. It need A guy to co-ordinate. If it's left leaderless, it

RE: Wordwide Frequencies and Power Levels for 802.11

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ok - you guys start an excel table with the follwoing info and let's add to the list. Great suggestion. Country ISO Country CodeBand [MHz] EIRP [mW] EIRP [dBm] TPC [dB]DFS Indoor/ Outdoor Channels George Stults george.stu...@watchguard.com wrote:

Re: Korean EK Mark

2007-02-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Grace, EK has been in force for a very long time. As you have noted, more products have been added to the list and these need to be EK marked March 1, 2007. You can contact me directly regarding the simplest way to get EK Mark certification. Best Regards, Peter Grace Lin