Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Bill Owsley
My instruments are lying to me!!!   Or I have used different settings to look at different SSC signals. And like the proverbial bumblebee that was not told he cannot fly because theory says so, these stupid instruments did not read the textbooks. I gotta get a cheaper instrument to see reality.  

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Joe Randolph
On 2/10/2012, Mark Gandler wrote: My question for TIA-968-A is: how can something be compliant with all the criteria in this standard "in spite of" been totally destructed? Does it mean it is ok if power adapter or power supply is dead or entire product, including voice port can be out?   Test L

Re: [PSES] Melting BNC connectors

2012-02-10 Thread Peter Tarver
> From: Macy [mailto:m...@basicisp.net] > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 07:32 > > Next you'll tell us the component was radioactive, made > of some 'surplus' material. Like all that gold jewelry > that found itself on the market way back when. or the cheese graters from not so very long ago. T

[PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Christopher
    I have not seen many failure with 2.5KV surge on a power supply for FCC Part 68 tests. The duration is very small for 2.5KV. I can understand 800V Metallic surge failures.   I did test many T1, DSL and external modem testing back in the FCC Part 68 /Bill von Alven days working for a Test la

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread John Shinn
Mark and Cortland are both correct. For type A surges, the surges may damage the unit under test, but the unit cannot cause harm to the network after the surge, irregardless of of its operating condition. The most common “Harm” would be for the unit to go “off hook” in a permanent condition.

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Dan Roman
Hi Mark, I'll reference TIA-968-B since it is the latest version of the standard. Under section 4.1 Environmental Simulation it states: Unpackaged approved terminal equipment and approved protective circuitry shall comply with all the criteria specified in this Standard, both prior to and afte

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Mark Gandler
Dan, "Your equipment may fail or be completely destroyed but it cannot take the network with it" this was my understanding as well (regardless of how poorly and senseless the standard written), but clearly it is not the sam understanding across the labs. Are where any guidance, f.a.q's or int

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi Neven, I can also confirm that you should see a decrease in amplitude in peak mode for SS clocking. I use my simple handheld Thurlby Thander PSA2701T peak-reading spectrum analyzer to demo this during my EMC seminars. ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Neven Pischl
I would like to thank sincerely to all who responded, I appreciate it. I am not going to react to any discussions on whether it is cheating or not :), it was not anywhere in my mind when I posted the question and I hope this topic does not degrade :).   But, I'd like to summarize a little:

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
"The operation was a success but the patient died?" Seriously... Some stnadards as you say allow functional fauilure if worse thigns don't happen. I particularly liked the GR-1089 toxic smoke test; next best thing to burning a MANAGER at the stake! Ahem. Does the test you did require the

Re: [PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Dan Roman
Mark, Your equipment may fail or be completely destroyed but it cannot take the network with it. After the failure mode the applicable tests are repeated to make sure you product does not harm the network even if your product no longer operates. Dan From: Mark Gandler [mailto:markgand...@hot

[PSES] TIA-968-A failure modes, notwithstanding...

2012-02-10 Thread Mark Gandler
Group, trying to get to the bottom of the statement some of you saw many times over. Test is a power line surge, section 4.2.4 of TIA-968-A. This is a quote: "Failure Modes resulting from application of power line surge. Approved terminal equipment and approved protective circuitry shall compl

Re: [PSES] Melting BNC connectors

2012-02-10 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20120210073151.54d66...@m0005312.ppops.net>, dated Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Macy writes: Next you'll tell us the component was radioactive, made of some 'surplus' material. Like all that gold jewelry that found itself on the market way back when. Polonium melts at 254 C. -- OOO - Own O

Re: [PSES] Melting BNC connectors

2012-02-10 Thread Macy
Doug, Next you'll tell us the component was radioactive, made of some 'surplus' material. Like all that gold jewelry that found itself on the market way back when. --- d...@emcesd.com wrote: From: Doug Smith To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Melting BNC connectors Date: