Re: [PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread Kunde, Brian
Rick, Are you talking strictly about power cordage or internal hookup wire? We had a CSA inspector reject one of our products because the internal PE Conductor (hookup wire) was a smaller gauge (18awg) than what was on the power cord (16awg). He said in Canada, the PE Conductor inside our

Re: [PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message blupr01mb147cbf5b34eed2c0c72b6f594...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com , dated Tue, 5 May 2015, Rick Busche rick.bus...@qnergy.com writes: We manufacture a product that is intended for both the US and Canadian markets in addition to the European community. Our wiring is currently

[PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread Rick Busche
We manufacture a product that is intended for both the US and Canadian markets in addition to the European community. Our wiring is currently UL/CSA and harmonized. Looking at the various wire vendors there are UL/CSA CE certifications and certifications that are UL/CSA, CE and Harmonized.

Re: [PSES] Warning Label: Disconnect from Mains

2015-05-05 Thread Kunde, Brian
This is what we are seeing going on in Europe. Ever since that Mushroom Farm was fined for the injured employee, some companies in Europe are afraid of a similar fate. Laboratory Equipment used in a laboratory environment traditionally has work related risks not associated with other job

Re: [PSES] Warning Label: Disconnect from Mains

2015-05-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026DA221@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Tue, 5 May 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: Since the 3rd party lab is not our customer, we cannot communicate with them directly. Plus, all communications has to be translated into their

Re: [PSES] Warning Label: Disconnect from Mains

2015-05-05 Thread dougp01
I have frequently worked with 3rd party test labs and certifiers on behalf of my clients. Occasionally, because of propriety or non-disclosure concerns, they want to see an agent agreement or release form, but this is rare.    About half the time, when working with a client, my client's I.T.

Re: [PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread John Allen
Brian Grounding Conductor size An interesting question with respect to internal grounding conductors, and one which made me refer to a very old copy of CSA Technical Note TN-017 Bonding and Grounding of Electrical Equipment (Protective Grounding), dated January 13, 1993, which I have -

Re: [PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread Brian Oconnell
CSA-C22.2 No 0.4 (Bonding of Electrical Equipment) has this 3.4.3.2 The fault capacity of a bond shall be adequate if the bond complies with one of the following requirements: (a) the bond is made from a suitably terminated conductor not smaller than the specified minimum size of bonding

Re: [PSES] Toy Directive

2015-05-05 Thread dougp01
Ed,I have not personally bee‎nthrough ‎a Toy Directive review but I have been involved with consumer products which have hazards and may exhibit "child appealing" attributes. In short, these product were listed on a red list which means they cannot be approved, or possibly they can be

[PSES] CSA/cUL Certification

2015-05-05 Thread Amund Westin
Product: Multimedia (audio/video) powered by 12V battery or AC/DC adapter. Before even start making an approach towards CSA and UL, are there any important technical issues that should be addressed before getting on? I mean, the product is finished developed (for Europe market) and maybe a

Re: [PSES] CSA/cUL Certification

2015-05-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message 00d001d08703$8f19f8c0$ad4dea40$@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 5 May 2015, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: Product: Multimedia (audio/video) powered by 12V battery or AC/DC adapter.   Before even start making an approach towards CSA and UL, are there any important

Re: [PSES] CSA/cUL Certification

2015-05-05 Thread John Allen
It will be important to check the extent to which you have, or have not, incorporated all the components and materials which are normally required to be CSA Accepted/UL Recognized because, if you have not, then you could face very high initial component approval, and then on-going follow-up

Re: [PSES] Toy Directive

2015-05-05 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Ed, I have done a product to the Toy Directive and I have experience with the EN 71 series standards. The items you mention would fall under EN 71-1 which covers the physical properties of toys. In particular, the elastic cords would need to comply with section 5.4 “Cords, chains and

Re: [PSES] Wire Questions

2015-05-05 Thread John Allen
Brian Thanks Grounding Conductors - what you have identified in C22.2 No 0.4 seems to largely confirm and expand on what I surmised from TN-017 and the related references. Regards John Allen W.London, UK -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]

[PSES] Toy Directive

2015-05-05 Thread Ed Price
I was at a symposium recently where hundreds of (strictly non-electrical or otherwise powered) puzzles and games were being rated (for aesthetics such as age level, fun and intellectual challenge). However, nobody at this event gave any consideration to the familiar regulatory compliance issues