[PSES] Safety Test Labs Currently in and around SF Bay Area

2016-02-23 Thread Leo Eisner
Hello EMC-PSTC, It's been a long time since I have been in this community. So, hello all. Please respond with any test labs in and around the SF Bay Area with what there specialities are. I do not have a current list and would like to include the big name brands and the smaller independents a

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread Ed Price
Not wanting to sound like too much of a dinosaur, but back in the 1960's and early 70's, emission data was acquired by slowly tuning a receiver across the frequency range while listening to headphones and watching a meter. You would record the frequency and amplitude at several frequencies per octa

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread Ed Price
Ralph: That's a workable explanation for the variation from flatness. Those who spend a lot of their time acquiring emission data get very accustomed to the shape of the corrected noise floor, and any variation from expected is a reason to stop the test and examine everything that is going on i

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread alfred1520list
I am just now gotten very interest on this subject. I think you mention a key factor: antenna factor. The SA noise floor unit is dBm. After you have added the antenna factor the unit is dBuV/m. Everything else being perfect, zero loss, 0 dBi antenna gain across frequency, etc., the antanna facto

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread Brent DeWitt
Generally pretty correct Ralph. The only "picky" point I would have is about #2. The pre-amp really doesn't lower the noise floor created by #1. It raises the signal level further above it. Best of luck, Brent DeWitt Bose Corporation Framingham, MA From: McDiarmid, Ralph [mailto:ral

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread Ken Javor
I agree. A modern machine adjusts the raw data or noise floor for any and all transducer/amplifier/attenuator factors, and if the transducer factor is not flat, neither will be the adjusted noise floor. The only reason we do things this way is an ³embarrassment of riches² in processing power. Ab

Re: [PSES] Spectrum analyzer and noise floor

2016-02-23 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
I would like to explain to a colleague why the noise floor on a SA does not look flat as it sweeps across a given frequency range after antenna factors, cable factors, external gain and external attenuation are programmed into its display function. I think it breaks down to these fundamental p

Re: [PSES] Ancillary Equipment per EN 301 489-1

2016-02-23 Thread Brian O'Connell
The adjective ancillary is intended to mean auxiliary or subordinate. An EPS or battery can be considered as non-effective 'ancillary' equipment only where the selection of various models or sources do not affect the outcome of the EMC or safety reports. Brian From: McDiarmid, Ralph [mailto:

Re: [PSES] Ancillary Equipment per EN 301 489-1

2016-02-23 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
If it helps, the Oxford Concise English dictionary defines "ancillary" as: "a person, activity, or service providing essential support" Since the AC/DC adapter is essential to the function of the device, it provides more than merely "essential support" It is by all means an inseparable part of

[PSES] UL 1275

2016-02-23 Thread Doug Powell
All, I know this is not an electrical question but it is safety related to a UL standard. Hopefully there is someone here who has experience. ​UL 1275 Standard for Flammable Liquid Storage Cabinets speaks to three-point self-latching doors, 18 AWG steel and other construction constraints. ​Howe

Re: [PSES] Ancillary Equipment per EN 301 489-1

2016-02-23 Thread Richard Nute
Hi David: The above is due to disagreement with customer. Apparently, the customer wants testing and certification, so give it to him! (The customer is always right!) Best regards, Rich - This mes