Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread John Woodgate
It's not helpful to quote a dictionary or grammar when the terminology is not agreed. For Rich, misuse is defined differently from your definition. Game over. This topic is a 'thicket' - something that gets more difficult to penetrate the further you go in. One aspect not commonly studied by

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Rodney Davis
wow! verb: misuse; 3rd person present: misuses; past tense: misused; past participle: misused; gerund or present participle: misusing /misˈyo͞oz/ 1. use (something) in the wrong way or for the wrong purpose. i.e. using a PSU intended to power equipment indoors and in fact using it to power some

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
The concept of 'forseeable misuse' as part of RA at least appears, to a reasonable engineer, to be logical construct for evaluating safeguards. But there is no veracity for a mathematical model that would enable the assignment of a "probability" figure that represents a product's safety integrit

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Nute
> Depending on the > product I could easily see using an indoor only rated > power supply outdoors as possible misuse. That depends on your definition of "misuse." If "misuse" means using the product for something other than its intended use, then using the product outdoors is not misuse. If

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
I must admit I didn't understand any of that, other than references to MTBF and HALT. It just seems to me that RA is akin to FMEA and FTA (Fault Tree Analysis) efforts, namely, it's just guess work. There is no way to come up with a number that can relied on, since there are too many unknowns

[PSES] Job Posting

2016-04-06 Thread Gary Swale
Safety and Compliance Engineer job opening. Position located in Perry, OK. Contact me at gary.sw...@ditchwitch.com if interested. Gary L. Swale Charles Machine Works Senior Product Safety & Compliance Engineer This email and any files transmitted with it from

[PSES] Job Opening

2016-04-06 Thread Gary Swale
Safety and Compliance Engineer job opening. Position located in Perry, OK. Contact me at gary.sw...@ditchwitch.com if interested. Gary L. Swale Charles Machine Works Senior Product Safety & Compliance Engineer This email and any files transmitted with it from T

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
The Machinery Directive requires consideration of possible misuse as part of the risk assessment. Depending on the product I could easily see using an indoor only rated power supply outdoors as possible misuse. In that case depending on the risk/hazard it could mean using an outdoor rated powe

Re: [PSES] Desktop Power Supplies

2016-04-06 Thread Rodney Davis
An external Class B PSU is identified under the verification process and the marking for the PSU is required. Section 15.101 (a) Class B external switching power supplies Verification. I see many supplies with the FCC logo however this is a misused as the FCC logo is limited to products

Re: [PSES] EC Blue Guide

2016-04-06 Thread Crane, Lauren
Thank you, Nick! Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:29 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EC Blue Guide A new edition of the Commission’s Blue Guide has been published: http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoo

Re: [PSES] EC Blue Guide

2016-04-06 Thread Nagel, Michael (Artesyn)
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Re: [PSES] EC Blue Guide

2016-04-06 Thread Bill Stumpf
Unfortunately, even though Nick has provided the correct link it does not work. Try this one instead: http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/16210?locale=en Bill Stumpf - Lab / Technical Manager D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc. 166 South Carter Street Genoa City WI 53128 Ph: 262-279-0210 Fr

[PSES] Desktop Power Supplies

2016-04-06 Thread Mark Bailey
Dear group, a quick question regarding selling desktop power supplies into the USA as part of a system. If I buy an off the shelf desktop PSU to power my product (unintentional radiator) to sell into the USA does the desktop PSU need to be marked with the FCC logo or verification wording? As par

[PSES] EC Blue Guide

2016-04-06 Thread Nick Williams
A new edition of the Commission’s Blue Guide has been published: http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/16210 Nick. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society