Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Liquid Ant Bait. Ants consume the liquid and return to the nest where they pass on the bait to the rest of the colony. -Original Message- From: Sundstrom, Mike [mailto:mike.sundst...@garmin.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES]

Re: [PSES] Fire ants & Circuit Breakers

2016-09-15 Thread Ed Price
As I understand things (in my American-centric world), a GFCI duplex outlet protector contains a toroidal core that senses the differential current between the Hot and Neutral conductors. The magnetic field is pretty well-contained within that toroid core. Electric fields are dependent of the ap

Re: [PSES] IEEE Elections and Constitution

2016-09-15 Thread Ken Javor
I am certifiably deplorable. Based on all your inputs, I voted against the amendment, without reading it, or the pros and cons. Just based on a geemnral distrust of the centralization of authority. That sort of attitude will shortly put deplorables in the US on a ³list.² Ken Javor Phone: (256)

Re: [PSES] IEEE Elections and Constitution

2016-09-15 Thread Schaefer, David
Thanks to all who responded. It's good to hear from other engineers on a vote like this. Thanks, David From: Schaefer, David [mailto:dschae...@tuvam.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 12:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IEEE Electio

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Gies, Don (Nokia - US)
In NJ, we tend to park on our Parkway, especially during the summer with beach traffic, or during rush hours. DON GIES NOKIA Bell Labs SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Woodgate
Autos have hoods, fenders, firewalls and trunks. Cars have bonnets, bumpers, dashboards and boots. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: dward

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Larry K. Stillings
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Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Allen
“From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: 15 September 2016 17:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fire ants “Correct – ….And a Bonnet is something a woman wears, not the HOOD of a car J “ ” – not in the UK it ain’t – every car has one!! John E Allen W.Londo

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Derby
:) But, can you imagine a country so crazy that the people might park on a driveway, and drive on the parkway? Michael. From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: 15 September 2016 17:12 To: 'Michael Derby' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Fire ants Corre

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread dward
Correct – the word antennas is correct when speaking of more than one radio antenna. ‘Antennae’ is for more than one insect antenna And a Bonnet is something a woman wears, not the HOOD of a car :) ​ Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST E

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Ted Eckert
I’m sure the ants collecting on the GFCI and causing a jam was completely a coincidence and had nothing to do with the GFCI refusing to support the governor’s reelection campaign. But seriously, to support Mr. Schmidt’s supposition, there could be many reasons why ants would congregate on only

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Doug Nix
No, I’d not go that far. I’ll blame the formal distinctions on Noah Webster and his founding of Webster’s American English Dictionary in 1828. Neither is wrong. Just different. As a Canuck, we speak and write a mix, but we like to keep the ‘u’ in some words, but go to the US spellings of others,

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Mark Schmidt
I am not an entomologist but is it possible it has nothing to do with E and H fields? Could it simply be that it is just a nice dry/warm environment for them to produce offspring. I have observed ants just last spring in my low voltage transformers for my landscape lights. When you disturb them

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Gies, Don (Nokia - US)
I always suspected the additional heat attracted them, but WRT to Mr. Eckert’s theories on New Jersey ants, they probably swore they were tough and were out to prove it by bridging across the electrical contacts. (Ted, I gave you that one!) DON GIES NOKIA Bell Labs SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE EN

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Doug Powell
This topic is getting interesting.. I had originally thought it would be received like one of my Friday questions 8-j), but now I see there is quite a bit of serious information possible. One note, of all the magnetic core types, the toroidal form factor is probably does the best job of containin

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Ted Eckert
I would like to note that Mr. Gies is from New Jersey. The adoption of an updated electrical code with expanded use of AFCI breakers was blocked in New Jersey partly through resistance from home construction contractors who didn’t like the higher cost of the new breakers. My theory is that those

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Woodgate
No. I'm not sure which authority made the original decision (maybe the little-known CCIV, or 204 committee), quite a long time ago, but insects have antennae and radios have antennas. Being it was a long time ago, the possibility of insects with radios was not taken into account. With best wis

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Sundstrom, Mike
What is Terro? Thanks, Michael Sundstrom Garmin Compliance Engineer 2-2606 (913) 440-1540 KB5UKT "We call it theory when we know much about something but nothing works, and practice when everything works but nobody knows why." -- Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: John Woodg

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Adam Dixon
Follow the links available in Doug's original post to get to the Texas A&M article which references both electric and magnetic field influences. In my locale (Atlanta, GA), University of Georgia folks speculate the attraction is due to thermals (2013 AJC article: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/break

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Derby
You mean “Queen’s English” and “Incorrect English”? (I’m joking, of course!) I’ll show my ignorance here and open myself to ridicule no doubt, but, I think; only critters can have antennae and only radio folks can have antennas. Antennae in a test lab, simply means someone left the window op

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread IEEE
Isn’t this just a usage issue between the Queen’s English and US English? ;-) Doug Nix d...@ieee.org +1 (519) 729-5704 > On Sep 15, 2016, at 08:45, Michael Derby wrote: > > I feel like this is not going to do anything positive to solve all the > miss-use of the word ‘antennae’ in technical do

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Woodgate
There are bees and crickets with both already, and roaches. Probably more. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Derby
I feel like this is not going to do anything positive to solve all the miss-use of the word ‘antennae’ in technical documents! :-) Soon we’ll have ants with antennae and antennas. Michael. From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 15 September 2016 13:42 To:

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Woodgate
Perhaps an ANTSI standard will result at some time. (;-) With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: IEEE [mailto:d...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, Sept

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread John Woodgate
Does a GFCI also produce stronger electric fields than occur in other boxes? But magnetic field sensitivity is quite possibly the explanation. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread IEEE
I’ve put an inquiry in to the entomology department at the University of Guelph, Canada’s preeminent agricultural university. If anyone is likely to have an expert on this topic, U of G will. I’ll let you know if I hear anything interesting back! Doug Nix d...@ieee.org +1 (519) 729-5704 - ---

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread IEEE
I wonder if there are any entomologists that are studying this effect? Has anyone looked up any of the ant specialists to see if they’ve been exploring this phenomena? WRT to Don’s experience, I wonder if it’s the magnetic field that is attracting them more than the electric field? The GFCI has

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Gies, Don (Nokia - US)
Yes. I had a GFCI 20A circuit breaker in my panel feeding my pool pump motor. I went to open my pool last spring and the breaker kept tripping. So, I concluded that the breaker went bad. I opened up the breaker panel to change the breaker and found that the GFCI breaker was infested with ant

Re: [PSES] Fire ants

2016-09-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 9/14/2016 11:40 PM, John Woodgate wrote: Two to three years to evolve a resistant strain. Then what? Plutonium? 60 years ago in Livermore, a classmate invited me to come out to his Dad's ranch and we could explore while Pop was out. This consisted mainly in getting hold of some of his fath