Re: [PSES] calibration of laser power and energy meters

2017-11-23 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Bostjan, My recommendation is to purchase precision optical test equipment from a manufacturer that offers traceable calibration services. In my opinion, the best option is to have the manufacturer perform the traceable calibration if they offer the service. There are few independent

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Piotr, You don't have to be an expert in 60950-1 to interpret the TUV report. You only need to know which section of 60950-1 defines the requirements and tests for SELV and then see that those clauses are marked as passed in the TUV report or otherwise Not Applicable if the manufacturer does

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
EN 60204-1 for machinery defines PELV for itself and does not even use SELV. -Dave -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock There is no

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Piotr Galka
Hi Bostjan, Previously I looked in definitions list in alphabetic order and there is no SECONDARY CIRCUIT (in Polish adoption of not translated standard). But looking in not alphabetic I found it and I see my 12V is the SECONDARY CIRCUIT. If the sentence I cited previously refers to

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Hi Piotr, This refers to products supplied by secondary circuit. Power supply is supplied by AC mains therefore primary circuit. For OVC II we always apply 5B. You can trust me on this since we approve many power supplies. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Piotr Galka

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Piotr Galka
Hi Bostjan, In 5.2.2 there is the sentence: "However, for a SECONDARY CIRCUIT that is neither connected to protective earth nor provided with a protective screen in accordance with 2.6.1 e), Table 5C shall be used." I understand that, that way it depends on output which table to select. In

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Piotr Galka
Hi Rich, Thanks for confirming that isolation in doorlock can be only functional. This eliminates me one conception that 12V can be ELV, but second isolation is in doorlock. So now, as I'm sure that 12V have to be SELV/PELV I have to ask them if it is. I know that for other supplies they

Re: [PSES] Safe powering 12V doorlock

2017-11-23 Thread Piotr Galka
Richard, In EN50491-3 (HBES & BACS safety) ELV, SELV, PELV are defined I think the same way as you show. But except definition there are also Notes. I have only Polish translation so may be not precise writing what was in original. Under SELV definition there is Note 1: SELV circuit is