RE: EMC Directive revisions

2000-03-30 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Now I am really confused!! As I understand it the EMC Directive was never intended to INSTRUCT folks what tests to run or indeed what levels etc..to demonstrate compliance. Indeed one of the statements from the SLIM was the Directive per se was just fine and that the standards etc were the real

RE: Mars Lander EMC problem?

2000-03-30 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hmm - I think we need some on-site research done on this one.. -Original Message- From: Tony J. O'Hara [mailto:tonyoh...@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 10:31 AM To: IEEE list server Subject: Re: Mars Lander EMC problem? Hi I thought many people would be interested in t

RE: Ambient Cancellation Device for OATS

2000-03-29 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Thanks Mike for an excellent post. -Original Message- From: Mike Murphy [mailto:mmur...@alesis.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:56 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Ambient Cancellation Device for OATS Brent and group, I can verify that the CASPPER system does pe

RE: StripLine

2000-03-28 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Presuambly you are referring to a stripline antenna?? Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 > -- > From: Frank Krozel[SMTP:fr...@electronicinstrument.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:24 AM >

OATS Ambient Cancellaion - Thank you all

2000-03-22 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Thanks to all of you who responded. I agree with Brent - Lets keep the list EMC & Safety.. -Original Message- From: brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com [mailto:brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 12:41 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Laotian power cor

RE: Certification of Products and other emerging countries

2000-03-22 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
f EMC legislation... The emerging countries are quite numerous, can you come up with some actual examples? "Grasso, Charles (Chaz)" on 03/22/2000 02:43:36 AM To: Rene Charton/TUV-Twn@TUV-Twn, Kevin Newland cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Russian Certification

RE: Russian Certification of Products and other countries

2000-03-21 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
It has been my experience that - with the exception of the EU and Aus/Nz - the emerging countries have been very erratic in the implementation and enforcement of EMC legislation. Rene, I must disagree with your comment regarding scheduled implmentations. Putting incomplete EMC enforcement/legi

Ambient Cancellation Device for OATS

2000-03-21 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello - A little while ago there was some discussion of a company designing an ambient cancelation device. Question: Does anyone remember the company?? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion li

RE: Banana Split

2000-03-15 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I support the general comment that more specificity in the subject line would help in sorting emails. -Original Message- From: Lacey,Scott [mailto:sla...@foxboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:07 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: Banana Split I apologize for the rather flippa

RE: EMC Test Conditions

2000-03-07 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Thanks for amplifying your thoughts Gary. I agree with your concerns for the legal and fiscal implications to the company. -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gmcintu...@telect.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:59 PM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); Gary McInturff; 'lf

RE: EMC Test Conditions

2000-03-07 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Gary - You make a compelling argument but I must disagree. I belive that BOTH the user and the testlab need to cooperate fully with good faith. The testlab is afterall the defacto expert in testing & test standards, the user knows the product intimately (one hopes!) One or other cannot be fully r

RE: EMC Test Conditions

2000-03-07 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Interesting problems Derek.. Some comments: 1. Testing the device on a table. I'm not sure it is a stupid thing to do. As I see it this is a similar problem to rack qualifications. If the EUT does NOT require the metal support for any EMC performance (shielding/filter grounding) then testing an

RE: Technical Documentation

2000-03-03 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Excellent thought - and one that we are moving to. There are a couple logistical issues that need resolving.. 1) one problem there is that we would have to employ 2 persons fulltime to perform all the necessary library functions 2) the transmittal of the data (the files can attain several megabyte

RE: Technical Documentation

2000-03-03 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Scott - We maintain a similar system. That is with stuff scattered at different points in the company. I (and you and I think many others) belive that WHERE access to the documentation is irrelevant. What really counts is GETTING the documentation to the person that requests it. -Original

Question on EN55024 & legacy products

2000-03-02 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello _ I was wondering if this esteemed group could help me here: As everyone in the ITE business knows EN55024 is soon upon us. The questions I have are: 1) Legacy products. I assume that - as long as no changes are made - then EXISTING products do not require changes to incorp

RE: ITE Requirements for India?

2000-01-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi Kevin - I would like some clarification here. In your response you indicate that there are EMC REQUIREMENTS. My question(s): 1. Is there a law requiring this.? 2. If so what is it ? 3. What marks are required? 4. Is there importation controls on ITE equipment vis-a-vis EMC? Thanks... -

Korean Immunity - What IS it??

1999-12-20 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello, Does anyone in this august body know what immunity requirements need to be met? Is the testing done in country? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (w

FW: Embedded Capacitance Project

1999-12-16 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
> -Original Message- > From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:58 AM > To: 'Signal Integrity' > Cc: Charbonneau, Richard A > Subject: Embedded Capacitance Project > > Hello, > > Please find attached info

[SI-LIST] : Power Bus Structures - Presentation now available!!

1999-12-13 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello, The slides from our November Meeting Power Bus Structires - Theory and Design are now available. Please go to the RMCEMC Website at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rockymountainemc for the link. NOTE: You may have to scroll down to see the actual link location when you have gone to th

RE: EMC education courses

1999-12-10 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
You best bet is to become active in your local chapter of the EMC Society. Maybe even an officer... -Original Message- From: Bailey, Jeff [mailto:jbai...@sstech.on.ca] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:21 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EMC education courses Greetings all, I am looking in

RE: Cell Phone Hazards?

1999-12-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi Ghery - I seem to recall that NIST here in Boulder performed some experiments that measured the field from a cell phone at a typical usage distance at 700V/m!! -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:49 AM To: 'mkel..

RE: Open Frame EMI Filters

1999-12-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Go ahead and put it on the pwb. We do it anf it works very well. There is a caveat though - pay a lot of attention to the layout and final installation. -Original Message- From: POWELL, DOUG [mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail); Tr

RE: Cell Phone Hazards?

1999-12-06 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Just to provide a balance here: My father is Professor of Pathology at Surrey University in England. He has been involved in cancer research for most of his professional life. I have grilled (metaphorically) him on this issue. To date, he belives that there is no conclusive evidence of cell ph

WARNING: TROJAN VIRUS

1999-12-02 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Everyone.. Someone is sending a Trojan virus in an e-mail titled: Embedded Capacitance: The Next step in PWB Design. Please be careful and delete the executable. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 - This

RE: FCC part 15 class B, GTEM?

1999-12-02 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
@3com.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:49 PM > To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) > Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'ron_cher...@densolabs.com' > Subject: RE: FCC part 15 class B, GTEM? > > > > Charles, > > Sorry, I guess I was in erro

RE: FCC part 15 class B, GTEM?

1999-11-29 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Yes that is correct. BTW, how does one do the volumetric site attenuation in a GTEM? -Original Message- From: wolfgang_josenh...@3com.com [mailto:wolfgang_josenh...@3com.com] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:26 AM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'ron

RE: FCC part 15 class B, GTEM?

1999-11-28 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I don't belive you can... Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 > -- > From: ron_cher...@densolabs.com[SMTP:ron_cher...@densolabs.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:30 AM > To: emc-p...@

Article on UL

1999-11-24 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Forgive a jaded old man but two things jumped out at me when I read the article. 1. "In many other countries, standards are set or approved by a government entity with industry involvement. U.S. safety standards, on the other hand, are set primarily b

RE: FCC part 15 class B, testing

1999-11-24 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
This is really a no brainer... To summarize: The answer to your questions is NO for the following reasons: 1. You are testing in an anechoic chamber (Read also K.Javors analysis) 2. The antenna cannot be raised to its full height requirement. Thats the bad news. The good news is that the FCC h

RE: Is Your Head Clamp CE Marked?

1999-11-15 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I hesitate to even have my head examined.. I am afraid of what is (or is not) in there!! -Original Message- From: aimee.l.da...@us.ul.com [mailto:aimee.l.da...@us.ul.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 10:23 AM To: Scott Douglas Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: Is Your Head Clamp CE M

RE: Emission / Enclosure

1999-11-04 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Ken, agreed -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:49 PM To: Westin, Amund; 'emc-pstc' Subject: Re: Emission / Enclosure My opinion: From 30 - 1000 MHz the material is not as important as the treatment of seams and

Now available: Embedded Capacitance Presentation

1999-11-01 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
To all interested parties: The slides from the October RMCEMC meeting titled: Embedded Capacitance: The next step in PWB Design is now available from our website: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rockymountainemc/ Comments will be appreciated. - This message is coming from the em

Dr Hubing Presentation on Power Bus Structures

1999-11-01 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
The Rocky Mountain Chapter of the IEEE EMC Society is finishing the old millenium with a bang!! We invite one and all to see.. Presenter: Dr. Todd Hubing from the University of Missouri,Rolla Date : November 11th, 1999. Times : 1:00pm - 4:30pm Location: National Institute for Standards and Techno

Wedge Picture

1999-10-28 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello, Here is a picture of a wedge used for the Radiated Immunity testing one of our products. It worked remarkably well. <> Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 <>

[SI-LIST] : Comment on seminar

1999-10-28 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
To all interested parties: Sadly Lee Ritchey declined to discuss details of his seminar in public. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 To unsubscribe from si-list: send e-mail to majord...@silab.eng.sun.com. In t

RE: [SI-LIST] : Comments from your SI seminar (SendII)`

1999-10-27 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
rom an EMI perspective. He believes one Solid connection to the ground plane is sufficient. I would like to hear a take from an EMI person. Regards, Paul S. Denomme Viasystems Inc. Richmond, VA paul.deno...@viasystems.com > -Original Message- > From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) [SMTP:gra

[SI-LIST] : Comments from your SI seminar (SendII)`

1999-10-27 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Sir, A collegue of mine has recently taken your SI seminar. In discussing the class with him I came across two statements from the semiar that I would like to discuss with you and others in the EMC profession. Comment 1. On page 109 there is a slide that states: Traces crossing cuts in planes ca

[SI-LIST] : Comments from your SI seminar

1999-10-27 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Sir, A collegue of mine has recently taken your SI class. In discussing the class with him I came across two statements from the class that I would like to discuss with you and others in the EMC profession. Comment 1. On page 109 there is a slide that states: Traces crossing cuts in planes can f

Presentation Availability for Embedded Capacitance

1999-10-06 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
To all interested parties: For all those seeking a copy of the presentation - Good News!! There will be a presentation available in pdf format about 1 week after the meeting. I will send the link out when the download is available. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion

Embedded Capacitance - The Nest Step in PWB Design

1999-10-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
To all interested parties: The Rocky Mountain Chapter of the EMC Society is proud to announce its next meeting: Embedded Capacitance - The Next Step in PWB Design. When: October 14th For more information please go to our website at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rockymountainemc Charles Gra

80/80 rule explanation offerred

1999-09-08 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
ble layout. It is meaningless to do statistics on the azimuth or height of antenna since these are merely a part of the measurement process, and there is no agency standard regarding these values. I hope this helps. Monrad L. Monsen Senior EMC Engineer Product Compliance 303.673.2438 phone 303.

Tran Tasman Agreement

1999-09-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello.. Does anyone know if the Tran Tasman agreement was actually signed and went into effect on Jan 1 1999? Information on the web indicates otherwise.. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 - This message is c

RE: CE Marking requirements

1999-08-24 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
As far as I know, the EU has not adopted the insane FCC Class B compliance process. So there is NO procedure for marking a motherboard as a "compliant" unit. What you can do is test it in a system (just like the old days) and mark the motherboard based on that test ALONE. If I understand your r

Question on top 6 frequencies

1999-08-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello... I need a rumor confirmed or quashed. I have heard that at a recent USCEL meeting in Seattle, the existing procedure of reporting only the top 6 freqs is no longer considered acceptable. Can any one confirm this? Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 8

ESD or EN50082-1:1997 & EN55024

1999-08-22 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Comments 1. The first person to publish data on the subnanosecond performance of the ESD event was W.M.King back in the 80s. The data is published in the IEEE.( Dr. Pommerenke..I can send you slides of the data if you wish) 2. There is a distinct difference in the rise time between a discharg

Internal ESD testing & EN55024

1999-08-16 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
First I would like to thank the group.As usual the open sharing of ideas provides a lot of insight to me. I have one question though - I am particularly interested in the requirements for EN55024. Has anyone changes their ESD procedures as a result of the internal ESD requirement of the spec?

Question on internal ESD testing

1999-08-13 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello, Does anyone in this august group apply ESD discharges INTERNAL to a product as required by EN55024. I consider this just a tad egregious - don't you? Thank you Charles Grasso Advisory Engineer StorageTek 2270Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 M/S 4247. Tel:303-673-2908 Fax:303-661-7115

RE: NSA

1999-07-22 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
In my experience it is very unusual to have large NSA variations from the ideal in horizontal orientation. SUGGESSTION: It would appear that you have a large ground screen. I would suggest you perform a site cal at 3m in another area of the ground screen that does not contain the turntable. If

Russian Scientist seeking US Research partner

1999-07-14 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Greetings all. Dr Marina Koledintseva is a scientist based in Russia with a need for a US Research Partner. If you have an interest or know of anyone else who is interested please let me know. Her resume follows: ___

RE: CISPR 22 equal to EN55022?

1999-07-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
IMHO, As I understand it the latest Amendments of CISPR22 are not necessarily in EN55022. Indeed they may be modified or rejected by the EU and so they may NOT be the same. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 > ---

RE: Re:EMC Experiments

1999-07-07 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
You might contact the Education Committee at the IEEE. They are committed to the Education on EMC and have put on may successful experiment demos at EMC Conferences. (As the Workshop/Tutorial & Experiments Chair for Denver 1998 I can personally attest to thet quality of the expeiments and demo). T

RE: NEAR/ FAR FIELD CORRELATION ISSUES

1999-06-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Ken, Schedule is ALWAYS an issue for any testing be it EMC or temperature. I have found that when companies work the issue into their schedules EMC is of minimal impact. If we allow volume to dictate practices that are patently wrong, then I belive we make the EMC testing pointless. Thank you Ch

RE: NEAR/ FAR FIELD CORRELATION ISSUES

1999-06-18 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Earl [mailto:earl.mo...@compaq.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 3:36 PM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); 'Lou Gnecco'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: NEAR/ FAR FIELD CORRELATION ISSUES I beg to differ. It is ludicrous to believe that components or for that matter subassemblies can b

RE: NEAR/ FAR FIELD CORRELATION ISSUES

1999-06-18 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I cannot agree more!! We, not the government, need to drive the technology for EMC. I have followed this thread with interest. I have long believed that if EMC was to maintain credibility we (EMC ) would have to come up with a method of demonstrating compliance in spite of the many and varied com

ITE Equipment installed in hospitals

1999-06-18 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Does anyone know if ITE equipment is required to meet any Medical requirements if installed in a hospital. (No patient connections!!) Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 - This message is coming from the emc-pst

RE: History Class ...

1999-05-29 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
All, The general consensus is that the emissions specs were derived to "protect" intentional receivers. ALERT: Be aware that a giant ITE company that has a vested interest in PCs has managed to render the emissions spec. useless. Somehow the FCC allowed FCCB + FCCB = FCCB in CFR47 for componen

Thank you all.

1999-05-12 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I am always astonished at the depth of knowledge and willingness to share. Thank you all for your help Thank you Charles Grasso Advisory Engineer StorageTek 2270Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 M/S 4247. Tel:303-673-2908 Fax:303-661-7115 email:gra...@louisville.stortek.com Web Site: http://

Immunity requirements for equiment sold to research labs.

1999-05-11 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Can anyone tell me what the Immunity requirements for equiment sold to research labs might be. Charles Grasso Advisory Engineer StorageTek 2270Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 M/S 4247. Tel:303-673-2908 Fax:303-661-7115 email:gra...@louisville.stortek.com Web Site: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/

Reminder - Register before May 12 for RMCEMC Symposium

1999-05-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello, For all you folks interested in attending the RMCEMC EMC Symposium on May 18 - a reminder.!! Register (using our easy online form) before May 12 and get FREE breakfast AND lunch. Our website address is http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rockymountainemc Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek

Anyone interested in PCB Design Techniques for SI & EMC?

1999-03-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
The Rocky Mountain Chapter of the EMC Society will be hosting a Mr. Mark Montrose who will present a 3.5 hr training class on PCB Design Techniques for SI & EMC. He will also present research data (unpublished and undiscovered) on the performance of decoupling capacitors at this meeting. For more

RE: explanation of ESD events with coins in baggie.

1999-03-11 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I would recommend that Doug Smith of Auspex Systems answer this one as he has presented this at an ANSI C63 ESD meeting and to the FAA.(He managed to crash their computers)!! Thank you Charles Grasso Advisory Engineer StorageTek 2270Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 M/S 4247. Tel:303-673-2908 F

RE: Current Probes

1999-03-06 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
...@trans.sandiegoca.ncr.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 4:47 PM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Current Probes Chaz, I was scrolling through old messages and came across this one. Always ready to provide a counter example, I routinely use a current probe at 500 MHz on our high

RE: Seeking PCs that Pass CISPR

1999-03-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Unfortunately - its now the law (of this land) anyway!! -Original Message- From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:17 AM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); nbels...@nortelnetworks.com; eric.lif...@natinst.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re

RE: Seeking PCs that Pass CISPR

1999-03-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I am confused. What's the problem? If we (the EMC Community) have faith in Plug & Play (as the new FCC process is dubbed) then you should be able to buy ANY FCC logoed PC and pass. -Original Message- From: Nathan Belsher [mailto:nbels...@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:4

RE: Signal Line Output Surge Protection

1998-12-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I would suggest a spark gap designed into the artwork. These work very effectively. Thank you Charles Grasso (Capn Hook) > -- > From: UMBDENSTOCK, DON[SMTP:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 11:26 AM > To: 'EMC-PSTC Discussion Group' > Subject

Compliance Issue on (Need 220VAC Power Strips for Racks)

1998-12-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Well I trust you have found the strip. I would like to take this opportunity to ask a complinace question. If you are supplying rack equipment, how do you intend to verify the EMC performance of the final configuration? Thank you Charles Grasso (Capn Hook) > -- > From: rkes...@mo

RE: ESD Test Plane Material Type

1998-12-08 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello.. I have performed ESD tests in many different labs and have come across all the typical variations one would expect. I could not discern any performance difference between a copper or aluminium or even a galvanized steel ground plane. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Stree

RE: Doubt on LISN utilization

1998-12-07 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
CISPR does NOT require the Ground choke.. Thank you Charles Grasso (Capn Hook) > -- > From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz[SMTP:mur...@inep.ufsc.br] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 3:46 AM > To: Helge Knudsen > Cc: 'EMC-PSTC - IEEE' > Subject: Re: Doubt on LISN utiliz

RE: Doubt on LISN utilization

1998-12-05 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Gary (and others): I have the same recollection vis-a-vis the VDE COnducted emisions requirements. Thank you Charles Grasso (Capn Hook) > -- > From: Gary McInturff[SMTP:gmcintu...@packetengines.com] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 2:12 PM > To: rehel...@mmm.com; Muriel

RE: Coatings that affect EMC performance

1998-12-01 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Try Chromate... Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 > -- > From: UMBDENSTOCK, DON[SMTP:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com] > Reply To: UMBDENSTOCK, DON > Sent: Mo

RE: Current Probes

1998-11-25 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
There is no doubt that the use of a current probe can effectively illuminate problems with an EUT. But the method can really only be used effectively up to about 200MHz or so and (heres the kicker) is about 6db harsher on the EUT than the Radiated Immunity test. In other words, you may cause a fail

Question on FCC Class B certifications.

1998-11-24 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello all. I have a question on that centers on the new FCC Class B certification procedures. My company has recently bought a bunch of PCs for use as emulators during emissions testing. I happened to notice that while ALL of the PCs had the FCC Class B logo on their label, some of the PCs also

RE: ENEC Mark for ITE & Other Equipment

1998-11-24 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I believe that it is the ENEC Mark of the VDE (ENEC-Zeichen des VDE) for products conforming to harmonized certification procedures; VDE mark is optional. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)66

Need Compliance Design Antenna Rental

1998-11-16 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi, Does anyone know where I can rent(in the US)the broadband antennas designed & built by Compliance Design? Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 - This message is coming f

SCSI on internal unshielded cables

1998-10-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hello! Has anyone successfully run SCSI internally using unshielded flat cables? There is some controversy as to cross-talk and Signal Integrity and I would really like other folks responses. Thank you Charles Grasso (Captain Hook) EMC Engineer StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 800

RE: Are all these agencies really necessary?

1998-09-10 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
rp.com] > Reply To: dmitch...@eoscorp.com > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); 'emc-pstc' > Subject: RE: Are all these agencies really necessary? > > The OM was just an example for purposes of illustration. A better

RE: Are all these agencies really necessary?

1998-09-10 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Would someone please explain the OM (Overall Mark)? Thank you Charles Grasso (Captain Hook) EMC Engineer StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 > -- > From: Peter E. Perkins[SMTP:peperk...@compus

RE: Looking for Horror Stories

1998-07-15 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Jim, I sense you may be in justification mode or worse the phrase "value add" has reared up. Well, IMHO we have become victims of our own success. Due to the diligence of many EMC Engineers and the increase in digital transmissions, cable TV etc, high visibility interference (nuisence) related p

RE: CB scheme

1998-06-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I have been told that the Russian Authorities will only accept a CB report from Nemko. Is this true? Thank you Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 Symposium Website URL: http://www.b

RE: EMC/Safety in Poland

1998-06-18 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I have an ITE question.. Is the Polish B mark required for Class A gear (as defined by CISPR22)? Thank you Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 Symposium Website URL: http://www.ball

RE: GS Requirements

1998-04-28 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I have been following this thread with interest and would like to ask Ing. Gert Gremmen a pointed question. Gert, In your email you stated: "For the moment all i want to say is that the GOAL of all so-called new-approach directives is and was to stop all barriers that existed for importing and ex

RE: EN 55022 ITE Class A vs. Class B?

1998-04-08 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Well, This would be an appropriate occasion to open this can of worms again! Ing. Gert Gremmen's response would, at first blush, lead you to conclude that the whole of the EU believes that Class B is the REQUIRED emissions level for ITE. I do not agree. The push for Class B for ITE has been and

RE: Re[2]: EMC/Harmonics requirements

1997-09-12 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
The application date of EN61000-3-2/3 for ITE has been a difficult problem to resolve. Although the whole would seems to think that the date is 1/1/2001, I have a slightly different view that I would like to offer to the group. Fundamentally my problem is that the term "dow" is being used synonym

IEEE Conference

1997-09-02 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Would anyone care to share what they learned at the conference in Austin. I have put together some & am willing to mail it off to anyone who replies. Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115

RE: Antenna Calibration/Site Attenuation

1997-08-25 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi, Yes I attended that presentation. In ANSI C63.4 Methods for SA there is a "fudge factor" for taking out the mutual coupling between antennas for 3M SA measurements. Doesn't this take care of the problem? Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908

RE: Graphics NOT in posts

1997-07-17 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I would like to align my vote with Brent DeWitt. Simply ask who wants a particular file then send it directly to the person requesting the input. Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 >-- >From: Farnsworth,Heber[SMTP:hfarn

RE: ESD Simulators

1997-07-15 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Years ago I had the opportunity of working with a top flight consultant on ESD and the human-body model. The only manufacturer that produced an ESD simulator that ACCURATELY reflected the Human Body pulse was Andy Hish. The ESD simulators today produce a facimile of the true ESD event in the intere

RE: Re[2]: alternate test sites

1997-07-14 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hey keep this technical will you?? Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 >-- >From: tania.gr...@octel.com[SMTP:tania.gr...@octel.com] >Sent: Monday, July 14, 1997 11:51 AM >To:emc-p...@ieee.org; Alan Hudson +44 (0)1383-821921 >Cc:jim.nado...@a

RE: EN 61000-3-2/3 In the Great Scheme of Things

1997-07-11 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Nice summary Rich Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 >-- >From: Rich Nute[SMTP:ri...@sdd.hp.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 5:10 PM >To:eric.lif...@natinst.com >Cc:emc-p...@ieee.org >Subject: Re: EN 61000-3-2/3 In the Great Scheme

RE: EN61000-3-2

1997-07-09 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
OK Here is the latest information I have received from CENELEC. Last week's Technical Board (BT) meeting confirmed that the dow of EN 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 is 2001-01-01 for all products. BT also decided to launch a 2month vote on the withdrawal of EN 61000-3-2/A12 (that set the dow for 61000-3

RE: Receivers, Digital Spectrum Analyzers, Analog Spectrum Analyzers

1997-07-01 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I agree with your comment vis-à-vis field strength etc.. As long as the reading is accurate, the equipment type is moot. However the attainment of this desired goal is not straight forward. I am a conservative type and have concerns with dSAs in two areas. First, dSAs (at least the one I use ) d

ITE Immunity Questions

1997-06-30 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Greetings All, My company manufactures ITE equipment tested and verified to EN55022 and EN50082-1 the generic light immunity standard. With impending release of CISPR24 some questions come to mind. 1. Does the new ITE immunity standard apply to equipment in a warehouse (i.e. NOT put into service?

RE: EN50082-1:1996

1997-06-20 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
The latest I have from CENELEC is: EN 50082-1:199X was ratified. Implementation dates: doa: 1997-06-01, dop: 1997-12-01, dow: 2001-01-01 Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 >-- >From: Randy Stephens[SMTP:steph...@vivanet.com] >Sent: Friday, June 20,

RE: EMC REGULATIONS IN TAIWAN

1997-06-06 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi Jim, I have actively pursuing info on the BCIQ & would be happy to share what I have "unearthed". Most of this information is as a result of conversation with an officer at the BCIQ. > Question #1: Can anyone confirm that the above information is still > accurate (i.e. that the situat

RE: EN61000-3-2 - RUMOURS

1997-05-27 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
This is the information I have managed to get from Cenelec. It directly contradicts earlier statements published on this site. I have asked for clarification. CENELEC statement: >"Like I explained in an earlier email the "dow" (date for >withdrawal of conflicting standards) of 2001-01-01 was >pro

BCIQ - Taiwan EMC Law

1997-05-20 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
I have been struggling with getting information on the new BCIQ law out of Taiwan. Can anyone out there help? For starters, is there a handy guide published anywhere? Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek Tel

ESD testing survey.

1997-05-16 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Greetings group! I would like to take a survey of the ESD testing practices prevalent in manufacturers of electronic equipment. The purpose of this information is to get a better understanding of the alignment of my company with respect to the industry and ESD testing in particular. Basically - is

RE: Certified Devices

1997-04-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
The answer to question is the same.. I also came from a major PC vendor and shared some of the experiences of my collegues. The three vendors I gave you (Seagate, Maxtor & Quantum) all put significant time & money into EMC and test their drives at a component level. They all strive to meet the

RE: Standards Titles

1997-04-23 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
#x27;emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject:Re: Standards Titles Grasso, Charles (Chaz) wrote: > > Hi - The information I have is this: > > Canada: ICES-003: 1994 Emissions No Immunity Hi Charles, "Whatever happened to" Canada

RE: Standards Titles

1997-04-22 Thread Grasso, Charles (Chaz)
Hi - The information I have is this: Canada: ICES-003: 1994 Emissions No Immunity Australia: AS/NZS 3548: Emissions for ITE AS/NZS 4251.1:1994 Generic Emissions AS/NZS: 4542.1:1994 Generic Immunity (Not required YET at least for ITE) Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTe

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