Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-07 Thread John Woodgate
ail.com>] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:37 AM *To:* Edward Price *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration Hello Ed -   Good morning!   You are correct - the factors stored in the probe correct for the non-linearities of the diode detector.       (  as a side n

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-07 Thread Patrick
as obvious that this conductive > mass (not to mention the shielded, multi-conductor power & signal cable) > would distort the measured field and degrade the isotropicity.* > > > > > *Ed Price **WB6WSN* > *Chula Vista, CA USA* > > > > *From:* Patrick [mailt

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-06 Thread Ken Javor
Price Reply-To: Edward Price Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 21:57:28 + To: Conversation: [PSES] Field probe calibration Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration Patrick: The probe manufacturer says something like ³keep the probe box away or out of the field² or ³best results are obtained with

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-06 Thread Edward Price
sday, March 06, 2018 7:37 AM To: Edward Price Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration Hello Ed - Good morning! You are correct - the factors stored in the probe correct for the non-linearities of the diode detector. ( as a side note- hearing a presentation live, and asking/answe

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-06 Thread Edward Price
Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 8:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration It is clear that any correction table built into the field probe hardware/firmware/software is time domain only, so linearity correction factors bas

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Javor
avor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Edward Price Reply-To: Edward Price Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 01:27:07 + To: Conversation: [PSES] Field probe calibration Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration This is interesting, as Mr. Chen stated in ³Practical Considerations on EMC Measurements u

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Edward Price
rice WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Patrick [mailto:conwa...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:36 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration A great presentation on field probes can be found on the web. The author is Zhong Chen, an engineer with one of

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Javor
: (256) 650-5261 From: Patrick Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:26:03 -0700 To: Ken Javor Cc: Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration http://ieee.rackoneup.net/rrvs/10/Zhong%20Probe.pdf Look at the last slide, the last bullet. The detail analysis can be found within the slides themselves, but that

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Patrick
S-Lindgren EMC Probes,” with nothing about frequency dependence > corrections. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > > -- > *From: *Patrick > *Date: *Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:36:11 -0700 > *To: *Ken Javor > *Cc: * > *Subject: *R

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Javor
Probes,² with nothing about frequency dependence corrections. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Patrick Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:36:11 -0700 To: Ken Javor Cc: Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration A great presentation on field probes can be found on the web. The author is Zhong Chen

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Patrick
neer, its always better to have the data, then > to operate in the blind?” > > The answer is, “Not only no, but hell no, if I know beforehand that the > numbers don’t matter.” > > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > -- > *From: *P

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Javor
, if I know beforehand that the numbers don¹t matter.² Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Patrick Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:10:52 -0700 To: Ken Javor Cc: Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration Well, some of us have to consider other requirements, not just EN's.    What if the te

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
elay between when I email the listserve, and when it is delivered. Thanks, David Schaefer From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LIS

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
See below. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-05 18:10, Patrick wrote: Well, some of us have to consider other requirements, not just EN's. What if the test is -461, or DO-160 ? And what if the requirement is 200 V/m ?

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Patrick
st - at least until I get a new probe. The calibrations >> don't seem to mean that much based on my data, so with a composite reading >> whichever probe orientation gives me the highest field should be ok. >> >> Also, any replies I make may be delayed. It seems like I usually

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Patrick
- > *From: *John Woodgate > *Reply-To: *John Woodgate > *Date: *Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:19:10 + > *To: * > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration > > > > +/- 20% doesn't seem to be enough to explain the reported result. After > all, assum

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Javor
-To: John Woodgate Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:19:10 + To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration +/- 20% doesn't seem to be enough to explain the reported result. After all, assuming the +/- 20% is off the spectrum analyser, 1.2 is +1.6 dB and 0.8 is -1.9 dB. These are small, bu

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
David Schaefer From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration I

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread Patrick
delay between when I email the listserve, and when it is delivered. > > Thanks, > > David Schaefer > > > From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:17 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibra

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Schaefer, David
l the listserve, and when it is delivered. Thanks, David Schaefer From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration In turn: It is not surprising at all that it takes less power

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Ken Javor
: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:16:41 -0600 To: Conversation: [PSES] Field probe calibration Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration In turn: It is not surprising at all that it takes less power to generate the vertical field than the horizontal field. That¹s the effect of the conducting ground plane

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Ken Javor
frequency range. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: "Schaefer, David" Reply-To: "Schaefer, David" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:05:06 + To: Conversation: [PSES] Field probe calibration Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration All, Thanks for your all your input.

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Schaefer, David
d equipment, but your actual field could be +/- 3dB due to just probe error. Thanks, David Schaefer From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration I'm with Gert. Anything

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Ken Javor
Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Cortland Richmond Reply-To: Cortland Richmond Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 08:01:31 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration I'm with Gert. Anything "antennas" is  checked  in the far-field -- especially if testing for accuracy. 

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] Field probe calibration I took data with 4 field probes, 3 different models. All calibrated. Two calibrations by the manufacturer, two by a reputable cal house. 200-1000 MHz data, 10 MHz step size, 60 V/m level. I recorded the forward power, and al

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
*From:*Schaefer, David [mailto:dschae...@tuvam.com] *Sent:* 04 March 2018 05:22 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] Field probe calibration I took data with 4 field probes, 3 different models. All calibrated. Two calibrations by the manufacturer, two by a reputable cal house. 20

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Schaefer, David [mailto:dschae...@tuvam.com] Sent: 04 March 2018 05:22 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Field probe calibration I took data with 4 field probes, 3 different models. All calibrated. Two calibrations by the manufacturer, two by a reputable cal house. 200-1000 MHz data,

[PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-03 Thread Schaefer, David
I took data with 4 field probes, 3 different models. All calibrated. Two calibrations by the manufacturer, two by a reputable cal house. 200-1000 MHz data, 10 MHz step size, 60 V/m level. I recorded the forward power, and all equipment and software in the setup was the same, barring only the me