And then there was the early US mid-west broadcaster who continually upped
the power of his transmitter to get broader coverage (which allowed for
higher fees for adverts to this greater audience) who was chagrinned to be
hassled by the local chicken farmers who could no longer turn off the lights
In message <55d5b85f.9080...@earthlink.net>, dated Thu, 20 Aug 2015, CR
writes:
Shall we see DoC's for metal rulers, tools, pipes and pens? Stupidity
does NOT rule out regulation! (A joke, friends.)
No, it's not a joke, and when it happens people are surprisingly
reluctant to comment on the
On 8/19/2015 11:13 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
The sign linked below may give a hint as to the field strength in the area.
http://1drv.ms/1PnkCdh
I decided to leave the vicinity well before my 4 minutes and 24 seconds was up.
At an Amateur Radio "swap meet" I got some "keep moving" adhesive
warnin
In message <55d54220.5070...@earthlink.net>, dated Wed, 19 Aug 2015, CR
writes:
Semi-OT: An EPA paper published some decades ago noted high RF fields
close to, and voltages alleged to cause burns on contact with entirely
passive metal railings, pipes and the like in the vicinity of radio
bro
.
-Original Message-
From: CR [mailto:k...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 7:58 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC Benign devices (was:RE: [PSES] Friday night conundrum)
On 8/17/2015 8:14 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
> Article 2, Section 2 (d) exempts
On 8/17/2015 8:14 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
Article 2, Section 2 (d) exempts the following.
"Equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is such
that: (i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions
which exceed a level allowing radio and t
Free movement of goods throughout the EU. ;<)
Gert Gremmen
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday 19 August 2015 15:08
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
In message <7a35c33bdc1b47e78c2167c
In message <7a35c33bdc1b47e78c2167cf7c4a4...@sehste15d1be4.hs20.net>,
dated Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham
writes:
A: assume you mean devices similar to those used for RFID; readers
(including terminals, interrogators) and transponders (including tags,
contactless cards and similar devic
o: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
Hi
Thanks
When the card is inserted in the reader it is powered. Thus it also makes
sense to test the "card" in a "representative reader" as well as the other way
around.
Re CE marking I can'
> Does anyone know how much power these cards draw.
It's probably worth mentioning that there are different types of 'these cards'
to consider.
Smart Cards or Chip Cards usually mean those that have exposed contacts.
RFID or Near Field Cards have internal circuitry as well as an embedded antenn
In message
<04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7efd807998...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>,
dated Tue, 18 Aug 2015, "Pearson, John"
writes:
Thanks for the latin lesson John.
One never knows whether a comment on a language issue invites an
explanation or not.
Equipment which is inherently benig
ssage-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 18 August 2015 07:15
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC Benign devices (was:RE: [PSES] Friday night conundrum)
In message
mailto:b8f3f23a24ba3f4688cc5275527cb98bc4526...@chwpiexc10.sats.corp>>,
dated Mon,
In message
, dated
Mon, 17 Aug 2015, "Grasso, Charles"
writes:
John Woodgate posted " Like a digital watch, it's regarded as 'EMC
benign', so no EMC test and no CE mark"
The FCC defines an EMC benign device as: "Digital devices that have a
power consumption of 6 nanowatts or less, such a
4:15 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EMC Benign devices (was:RE: [PSES] Friday night conundrum)
Hello,
John Woodgate posted " Like a digital watch, it's regarded as 'EMC benign', so
no EMC test and no CE mark"
The FCC defines an EMC benign device
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:19 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
In message
<04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7efd342a72...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>,
dated Fri, 14 Aug 2015, "Pearson, John"
In message
<04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7efd807998...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>,
dated Mon, 17 Aug 2015, "Pearson, John"
writes:
I don't understand "de Minimus".
It's 'de minimis', part of a legal tag 'de minimis non curat lex' - the
law does not consider trifles. Google has much to say
link.net]
Sent: 15 August 2015 15:00
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
On 8/15/2015 9:01 AM, John Woodgate wrote:
> The enquiry was about credit cards, not RFID.
Good to be reminded. If the card contains a device used only in the reader, it
would make sense for t
On 8/15/2015 9:01 AM, John Woodgate wrote:
The enquiry was about credit cards, not RFID.
Good to be reminded. If the card contains a device used only in the
reader, it would make sense for the *reader* to be tested -- with
representative cards.
Near-field reading is possible with some car
In message ,
dated Sat, 15 Aug 2015, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen"
writes:
Non powered ?
No battery does not imply non-powered.
The power consumption of these devices (RFID) while operating is
magnitudes higher than that of a digital watch.
The enquiry was about credit car
environment.
Gert Gremmen
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From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com]
Sent: Friday 14 August 2015 20:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
Without having re-read through all the relevant directives I'd think
In message <002a01d0d6c4$b0b96ae0$122c40a0$@cs.com>, dated Fri, 14 Aug
2015, Pete Perkins writes:
It appears that the fun is just beginning. Do you, John, want
to
leave all the fun up to the young guys?
Heaven forfend. I acknowledge your points, but the original enquiry was
about CE
...@ieee.org]
Sent: 14 August 2015 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
John,
Thinking of all of this only in EMI terms seems way too
limiting.
There are examples of all kinds of electromechanical devices which interact
readily with the
281-3427
503/452-1201 fone/fax
p.perk...@ieee.org
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
In message <001401d0d6bd$33ff5980$9bfe0
dgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
In message <001401d0d6bd$33ff5980$9bfe0c80$@cs.com>, dated Fri, 14 Aug 2015,
Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> writes
In message <001401d0d6bd$33ff5980$9bfe0c80$@cs.com>, dated Fri, 14 Aug
2015, Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> writes:
Is the 'brite line' of separation because of the power supply (I
think not) or at some other defined 'interface'.
The question ought to be whether
In message <0387f3cf1dd8426389d13d04328ae...@sehste15d1be4.hs20.net>,
dated Fri, 14 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham
writes:
RFID and other tags are apparatus under the R&TTE directive, but the
initial placing on the market, and requirement for CE marking, is in
the tag manufacturer and not on the
John,
A good Friday discussion...
Altho this seems like a simplistic electronic equipment, the same
question needs to be raised with regard to wearable electronics.
The sophistication of these electronic systems is quite high and the
complexity will continue to grow.
ginal Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:19 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
In message
<04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7efd342a72...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>,
dated Fri, 14 Aug 2015, &qu
.
Regards
Charlie
Sent from my mobile
From: Pearson, John<mailto:john.pear...@polycom.com>
Sent: 14/08/2015 16:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Friday night conundrum
Should a Credit Card carry t
In message
<04cab9802ba27a409548dd47de1da7efd342a72...@slomailprd01.polycom.com>,
dated Fri, 14 Aug 2015, "Pearson, John"
writes:
Should a Credit Card carry the CE mark
Chip and pin along with NFC
Like a digital watch, it's regarded as 'EMC benign', so no EMC test and
no CE mark.
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OOO
Should a Credit Card carry the CE mark
Chip and pin along with NFC
Discuss?
John Pearson, Senior Director, Corporate Product Compliance
Polycom (UK) Ltd. |Singleton Court Business Centre Wonastow Road Ind. Est.,
Monmouth, NP255JA, United Kingdom | T: +44 1753 723165 | M: +44 7968 064105
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