: maandag 7 augustus 2017 20:54
Aan: 'Gert Gremmen'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: RE: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I don’t think that is helpful. Agreed that the ‘Whereas’ are not legalistically
part of the Directive, that doesn’t mean that they can be disregarded. They
embody the
manent.
From: Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: 07 August 2017 19:21
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
The numbered Whereas clauses are NOT part of the directive.
The actual text of the directive starts after the stipulation
HAVE ADOPTED THIS DIR
, including clause 7.
.
Gert Gremmen
Van: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 4 augustus 2017 13:00
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
You have my sympathy regarding the problems with language, worth 0.001 Euro.
Be
ct: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
If I knew that I would start my discussion not from 1.4 and 3.1(a) but from
(7), 1.4 and 3.1(a) what gives more relations to consider :)
I am reading directives since 2004 when we joined EU. Till now I always assumed
that everything before Article 1
1:26 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my English dictionary for whereas are: while, but ,
where , how
M Woodgate and
Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 16:28
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish
Pete,
If I were lawyer I would call it wonderful, but I am on opposite side :)
Piotr
W dniu 2017-08-03 o 20:26, Pete Perkins pisze:
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my English
st 3, 2017 11:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Piotr,
Isn’t it wonderful when lawyers write documents which technical
engineers are supposed to use to meet the legal requirements.
Synonyms from my English dictionary for whe
otr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 03 August 2017 16:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish directives it was replaced with 7 words: "but also hawing in
attention, what follows:"
I feel it as "we have
[mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:28 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
I think I don't feel 'Whereas' precisely.
In Polish directives it was replaced with 7 words: "but also hawing in
attention, what follows:"
Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 14:22
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
The full text you can find in my first mail - still present at the end:
*/[JMW] Ah, well, I didn’t know to look there./*
1,4.Radio equipment fall
nd
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 03 August 2017 12:57
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
My doubt comes not from less/more specific directive.
I don't consider LVD just from its scope.
But reading RED (devices shall
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Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
John,
The full text you can find in my first mail - still present at the end:
[JMW] Ah, well, I didn’t know to look there.
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set
w.jmwa.demon.co.uk <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Woodgate and
Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 03 August 2017 12:57
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
My doubt c
in aeternum manent.
*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 02 August 2017 19:39
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it
is _
Wednesday, August 02, 2017 2:39 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it
is _only_ guide.
With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R&TTE) devices are
Oh yeah, sorry. Not so good then. :-)
-Original Message-
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 02 August 2017 19:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Michael,
Thanks, but that means my understanding was not correct
specific
to the product prevails.
-Dave
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 2:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD
:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Mike,
Thanks for short and long answer :)
Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it is _only_
guide.
With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R&TTE) devices are clearly
excluded from
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:58:54 AM
*Subject: *[PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as
--Original Message-
From: Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
Sent: 02 August 2017 14:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within th
: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Hi Piotr,
You would not have a situation where the RED and the LVD both apply to a
product.
Product safety for radio devices (transmitter, receiver, transceiver) is
covered by Article 3.1a of the RED. So, you assess safety "in a similar way
as the LVD", but
day, August 2, 2017 8:58:54 AM
Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a)
ect: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be
subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1)
of this Directive.
3,1.
Dear list members,
I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.
RED says:
1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not
be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of
Article 3(1) of this Directive.
3,1. Radio equipment shall be cons
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