Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-24 Thread David Heald
> -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of drcuthbert > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:32 PM > To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: RE: IEC 61010 require

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-24 Thread Price, Ed
>-Original Message- >From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:05 AM >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: Re: IEC 61010 requirements > > > >I read in !emc-pstc that peter merguerian >wrote (in <20

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-24 Thread John Shinn
wner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of drcuthbert Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requirements Maybe he had a special low EMI cell phone? But seriously, a useful product would be a "cell phone

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-24 Thread drcuthbert
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC 61010 requirements I read in !emc-pstc that peter merguerian wrote (in <20030221231714.74613.qm...@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>) about 'IEC 61010 requirements' on Fri, 21 Feb 2003: >The other day, I called a surgeon and he happened to b

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-22 Thread Jon Griver
Peter, Please let me have the name of the surgeon with the cellphone, so I'll be careful to avoid him!! Best Wishes, Jon On 21 Feb 2003 at 15:17, peter merguerian wrote: > > Jon, > I must say that I somewhat disagree with you. A medical equipment as defined in IEC60601-1 is one > that is

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that peter merguerian wrote (in <20030221231714.74613.qm...@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>) about 'IEC 61010 requirements' on Fri, 21 Feb 2003: >The other day, I called a surgeon and he happened to be in the >operating room with his cellphone performing an operation. Does

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-21 Thread Grasso, Charles
lto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:17 PM To: Jon Griver; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requirements Jon, I must say that I somewhat disagree with you. A medical equipment as defined in IEC60601-1 is one that is for "professional use. The sur

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-21 Thread peter merguerian
Jon, I must say that I somewhat disagree with you. A medical equipment as defined in IEC60601-1 is one that is for "professional use. The surgeon's e-mails PC can also be used by his son and I do not consider it "professional" in the sense of the standard. Let's not exagerate here! A person with

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-21 Thread Jon Griver
Delphina, It's not only an issue of intended use, but also a question of location. With regard to the example you give, if a PC for the surgeon's urgent emails is located within the 'patient vicinity', as defined in IEC 60601-1-1 (within about 6 feet of the patient's bed), then I believe that i

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-21 Thread John Allen
sed by another thread! (And system reliability for safety reasons is another area which I am also not going to get into here!) Regards John Allen From: George Brimlow [mailto:george.brim...@nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 20 February 2003 17:40 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC 61010

Re: (Fwd) RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-21 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
Hello Jon, Thanks for the clarification. This helps in understanding which safety standards may be applied to a medical device based on its intended use. Therefore, it is very important that we understand what a medical device is versus medical equipment or laboratory equipment, as they are de

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Han, Delphina wrote (in <4196ec6cef84454d84b90731c905c50e279...@chopin.endo.strykercorp.com>) about 'IEC 61010 requirements' on Thu, 20 Feb 2003: >How about EMC standards? (maybe I should start a new thread...). Will this >PC have to meet IEC 60601-1-2 for medical? Or EN

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Han, Delphina
Hi all, Thanks for your responses. When I originally asked the question, I was sure that the particular equipment I was asking about does not fall under the scope IEC60601, but I wanted to confirm if IEC61010 is the relevant standard. As you may notice, I have a copy of the IEC60601 standard but

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Gregg Kervill
regards Gregg From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ronald R. Wellman Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:44 AM To: Gregg Kervill; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requirements Hello Greg, I have to disagree with your

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Dean Gerard (gdean)
From: Gregg Kervill [mailto:gr...@test4safety.com] Sent: 20 February 2003 04:15 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requirements Does it contact a live human - if answer no - it is not medical equipment. The purpose for the medical device directive is to protect people f

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread dave.osb...@philips.com
Hello all, There is some confusion between medical devices, in vitro diagnostic devices, and the scopes of possibly applicable safety standards. In the US in vitro diagnostic devices are a type of medical device and all medical devices are subject to applicable FDA regulation. In Europe, there

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread George Brimlow
Hi, In response to John Allen's comment, my understanding would be that the medical electrical systems standard (60601-1-1) doesn't really help you here. This standard covers the situation where you have a system of either interconnected electrical medical equipment or a mixed system of intercon

(Fwd) RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Jon Griver
Ron, Classification of in-vitro devices as medical equipment, requiring regulatory approval, does not influence the choice of product safety standard to be used. If it does not fall within the scope of IEC 60601-1, and is only used in the lab, then IEC 61010 should be used, though IEC 60950 wou

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
"Han, Delphina" ; >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:27 PM >Subject: Re: IEC 61010 requirements > > > > > > Hello Delphina, > > > > Laboratory equipment can be considered medical devices if you advertise > > them as such or claim that they ca

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
Hello Greg, I have to disagree with your interpretation. There are many in vitro devices that are classified as medical equipment and are subject to pre-market approvals in the US, Japan, and EU. There are strict regulations on labeling products in the US where even advertising is considered

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
nt) without one. These requirements are similiar to 950, and not as stringent as the medical requirement. Chris Poore -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requir

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
inary lab needs. Any dissent? Mike Harris/Teccom Co./Hayward CA - Original Message - From: "Ronald R. Wellman" To: "Han, Delphina" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: IEC 61010 requirements > > Hello Delphina, > > Laborator

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks The basic answers to the questions of which items of "medical" equipment are, and are not, required to be compliant to 60601 are given in EN 60601-1-1 "Medical electrical equipment Part 1-1: General requirements for safety. Collateral standard: Safety requirements for medical electrical

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Gregg Kervill
Does it contact a live human - if answer no - it is not medical equipment. The purpose for the medical device directive is to protect people for harm or infection - being alive would seem to be essential for this. G This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-20 Thread Mike
My opinion is that unless there are unusual circumstances, an ITE (IEC60950) certified monitor should satisfy ordinary lab needs. Any dissent? Mike Harris/Teccom Co./Hayward CA From: "Ronald R. Wellman" To: "Han, Delphina" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:27 PM Su

Re: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-19 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
Hello Delphina, Laboratory equipment can be considered medical devices if you advertise them as such or claim that they can be used be physicians to form medical opinions. However, most laboratory equipment manufacturers get around this by claiming that their products are intended for research

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-19 Thread Chris K. Poore
wner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of boconn...@t-yuden.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61010 requirements If end-use wiil never see contact w/patient or test subject, and equipment can be cla

RE: IEC 61010 requirements

2003-02-19 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
If end-use wiil never see contact w/patient or test subject, and equipment can be classified as Electrical Test and/or Measurement equipment, and does NOT fall under the scope of the Med Directive, and can be scoped under the LVD, then 61010-1 is applicable standard. Of course, the customer spec c