RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In addition to what others have already said there are also National requirements for Lithium Ion Batteries/ Battery packs in Japan and Korea which have an energy density greater then 400W/L. Japan is a self declaration so you can get testing done in any lab while Korea requires the testing to be

Re: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 5ee25f4c3567f748871d74829b84dd9d61908...@tk5ex14mbxc141.redmond.corp.mic rosoft.com, dated Wed, 26 May 2010, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes: Products tested to the CB Scheme will need to have batteries tested to IEC 62133 after June 27, 2011. It is very unusual, I

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: Lithium Ion Batteries To: McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 1:30 PM Hello Gary, You are basically correct about the circuitry in a battery

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ted Eckert Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Lithium Ion Batteries Products tested to the CB Scheme will need to have batteries tested to IEC 62133 after June 27, 2011. However

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Lithium Ion Batteries Please note that there are UL CCNs that reference

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: Lithium Ion Batteries Hi Gary, I deal a lot with battery pack, both in ATEX and Pollution Degree 2 and 3. Here is what I use: IEC 62133 is the standard used for batteries in portable consumer electronics. IEC 62133 is a standard used worldwide except in USA. In USA, UL 1642 and UL 2054

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Gary, The standard that you seek is EN/IEC 62133. It addresses the requirements at the cell and pack level. In general, your explanation of cell verses packs is correct. There are some variations depending on the exact standard you are using but not significant to the grand scheme.

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Gary, You are basically correct about the circuitry in a battery pack. The battery cells are nothing more than the cell. They are basically the anode, cathode, electrolyte, separators and outer case. Battery packs can have multiple cells, and often include a PCM – Protection Circuit

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2010-05-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Gary, I deal a lot with battery pack, both in ATEX and Pollution Degree 2 and 3. Here is what I use: IEC 62133 is the standard used for batteries in portable consumer electronics. IEC 62133 is a standard used worldwide except in USA. In USA, UL 1642 and UL 2054 are the equivalent

RE: Lithium-Ion batteries

2007-04-20 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
See page 12 of: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/bsgoem/DOT-TranspRequ-Lithium.pdf Another site with good information is at: http://www.ultralifebatteries.com/documents/whitepapers/Ultralife_Batter ies_Lithium_Battery_Transportation_Regulations.pdf Jim Jim Bacher Senior Engineer Paxar

RE: Lithium-Ion batteries

2007-04-20 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter, As far as IATA is concerned, Lithium batteries are covered by UN3090 and packing instruction 903 and special provisions A45, A88, and A99 apply, whereas Lithium batteries contained in equipment are UN3091 and packing instruction 912 and special provision A45 and A48 apply. Lithium

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-17 Thread Peter Tarver
Sorry. I clicked too fast during spell checking. I meant, thank you. -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver Think you, Angus. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-17 Thread Peter Tarver
Think you, Angus. The title for this standard is: Primary Batteries - Part 4: Safety Standard for Lithium Batteries In my case, and I think this is true of all Li ion cells and batteries, it is a secondary battery, meaning rechargeable. Primary batteries can't be or aren't intended to be

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-16 Thread Angus McGill (Cascade Engineering Svcs, Inc.)
Peter, you might try IEC60086-4, 2nd Edition, 2000-03. Regards, Angus McGill Compliance Engineer Cascade Engineering Services, Inc. (425) 703-2255 x25817 (425) 936-7329 (fax) damcg...@hotmail.com -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina.com] Sent: Thursday,

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-16 Thread Peter Tarver
Greg - I'll try the FAA. Good source I overlooked. I'm also planning to search the MIL standards, later this week. I suppose it would be a good idea to check on the EV automotive standards, incase I have to piece together something. In my research, I did notice quite a few aircraft battery

Re: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-16 Thread Scott Proffitt
Peter, Sorry for the delay. It depends on how large the batteries are. UL has one standard for Li Ion Batteries based on Lithium content [technician replaceable lithium batteries that contain 5.0 g (0.18 ounce) or less of metallic lithium; OR user-replaceable lithium batteries that contain 4.0 g

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-12 Thread georgea
Note that besides the product safety issues, there are many environmental issues with lithium batteries. Nearly every Euro environmental acceptance form for our products asks if they contain lithium batteries, and how these will be recycled or reclaimed to avoid going to waste land fills.

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-12 Thread Gregg Kervill
The standards and methodology that I have used for UL/CSA and CE Marking is to select UL Recognized batteries AND then focus upon: Short Circuit Reverse Charge Overcharge This is the best PRACTICAL guidance material that I have found. !The protection issues are MUCH more complex that

RE: Lithium Ion Batteries

2001-10-12 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi Peter, Whenever I've had safety questions regarding Lithium batteries, I've always found the manufacturer to be the best source of information. At the time, I talked with Tadiran, since we were using their batteries. Tadiran was extremely helpful and knowledgeable. After all, it's their