Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread John Murphy
SSD's have a very finite life. I can't go into details on what makes/models have longer lives, or ways that different companies extend SSD life, but any enterprise application using SSD's for performance reasons almost considers the SSD a consumable of the system. Even consumer products

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Leslie Newell
I have to admit I like Dells as well. They seem to be pretty well designed. My network server has a fairly old motherboard with an AMD 500MHz processor. They don't run as hot as modern CPUs so it will run fanless with an oversized heatsink. I also have a 12V fan running on 5V just for peace

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 05:04, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Based ENTIRELY on my personal experience, I would go with a used Dell Optiplex. One good thing about the used thing is that they come pre tested. It is possibly even better than that. Assuming a bathtub curve of failure with

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 04:00, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: How about an Atom base mobo, SSD and a PicoPSU? Maybe with a space AC-DC adapter? If I was looking for extreme reliability I think I would avoid a PicoPSU, just because they cram so much power electronics into such a small space.

Re: [Emc-users] Anyone configure the Gecko Drive - CNCRouterParts Kit?

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 07:43, Shaffin Bhanji shaffin.bha...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone happen to get this configured correctly to run a dual drive y-axis system? It should work just the same as any other step/dir gantry system. I have had good success using the Xylotex 3-axis system but sine I hear

[Emc-users] Progress Report: Eagle Schematic to HAL code converter

2010-10-23 Thread Ed Nisley
I tweaked Martin's original Eagle ULP a bit, added some library devices, then built a schematic to connect my Logitech gamepad Joggy Thing as an EMC2 pendant. The grisly details, links to background info, and current files are at:

[Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread bv
Greetings, I am sttempting to compile emc2_2.4.4 on a machine with these:- a) cpu: amd64 -2 cores b) o/s cblfs linux 64-bit, kernel-2.6.32, rtai-3.8.1, xorg-7.5 kde-4.4.5, TK-2.5.8, tcl8.5.8 running makes ends as follows:- Compiling emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc In file included

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Kent A. Reed
Igor: Others have outlined reasons individual systems likely will fail. Were I to set the same goal, I'd look into redundant, also known as high-reliability or fault-tolerant, computing. With the cloud become the next big thing there are now expensive commercial products being pushed out the

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Ibbotson
Thanks Andy. I thought that EMC2 required EPP mode on the parallel port, I think people are using the board to drive software stepgen. I have read the thread re. the EPP issues and it seems that the fix for the EPP modes is quite simple? Going back to the PCI based cards, does the extra speed

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 AM, John Murphy j...@wyosip.com wrote: SSD's have a very finite life.  I can't go into details on what makes/models have longer lives, or ways that different companies extend SSD life, but any enterprise application using SSD's for performance reasons almost

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Ibbotson
Andy On your D510MO board have you tied the rt threads to one core? If so how did you do this? Regards Andy -- From: Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:38 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)

Re: [Emc-users] Progress Report: Eagle Schematic to HAL code converter

2010-10-23 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 10/23/2010 8:58 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: From: Ed Nisleyed.08.nis...@pobox.com Subject: [Emc-users] Progress Report: Eagle Schematic to HAL code converter To:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:1287836715.3808.18.ca...@localhost.localdomain

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 13:58, Andy Ibbotson andyi_w...@btinternet.com wrote: Thanks Andy.  I thought that EMC2 required EPP mode on the parallel port AFAIK only for devices that use it for communications, not for applications which simply twiddle the pins on and off as individual signals. I might

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 14:37, Andy Ibbotson andyi_w...@btinternet.com wrote: Andy On your D510MO board have you tied the rt threads to one core? If so how did you do this? Currently I am running an out-of-the-box 10.04 liveCD installation. I think that includes the islocpus=1 boot parameter in

Re: [Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread bv
On Saturday 23 October 2010 13:27:37 bv wrote: Greetings, I am sttempting to compile emc2_2.4.4 on a machine with these:- a) cpu: amd64 -2 cores b) o/s cblfs linux 64-bit, kernel-2.6.32, rtai-3.8.1, xorg-7.5 kde-4.4.5, TK-2.5.8, tcl8.5.8 running makes ends as

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
I kept looking and found this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101096 This is a Atom based fanless PC with an external laptop style brick power supply (meaning it is easily replaceable) and a DVD drive. I would replace or supplant the 320 GB Sata drive with an SSD. If I

Re: [Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread bv
On Saturday 23 October 2010 13:27:37 bv wrote: Greetings, I am sttempting to compile emc2_2.4.4 on a machine with these:- a) cpu: amd64 -2 cores b) o/s cblfs linux 64-bit, kernel-2.6.32, (labelled as linux-2.6nv) rtai-3.8.1, xorg-7.5 kde-4.4.5, tk8.5.8, tcl8.5.8 make

Re: [Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 17:57, bv b...@btconnect.com wrote: $SOURCES/emc2-2.4.4/src/hal/drivers/hal_m5i20.c:288: error: implicit declaration of function 'pci_find_device' Part of one of the instructions at http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/emc2-ubuntu is sed -i

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
Those old PCs need to be refitted with new hard drives every time. I would expect this atom box to use 20-25 watts of power also. Reports of their reliability are overblown. I used a Dell Dimension 4100 on my Bridgeport Interact and it would occasionally fail to boot, for example. I still have

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Jon, thanks. What I like about atoms and ssds, is that they are cool and thus are unlikely to suffer from temperature stress. There is also no dependency on rotating fans. Meaning almost no dust clogging the PC, no bearing failure etc. Additionally for SSDs, there are no

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Leslie Newell wrote: The OS boots off a CF card but main storage is 2x 300GB mechanical hard drives. Every day it backs up one drive to the other. It has been running 24/7 for many years. Do you have a script that spins up the backup drive, runs the backup and then spins it down? If so,

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Jon, thanks. What I like about atoms and ssds, is that they are cool and thus are unlikely to suffer from temperature stress. There is also no dependency on rotating fans. Meaning almost no dust

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Leslie Newell wrote: The OS boots off a CF card but main storage is 2x 300GB mechanical hard drives. Every day it backs up one drive to the other. It has been running 24/7 for many years. Do you have a script that

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Andy Ibbotson wrote: Thanks Andy. I thought that EMC2 required EPP mode on the parallel port, I think people are using the board to drive software stepgen. EPP is ONLY needed for Pico Systems and Mesa products that use EPP as a communications path to a controller board. It definitely is NOT

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Leslie Newell
Hi Jon, I used hdparm to tell the drive to spin down after 5 minutes of inactivity. The backup is simply rsync running as a cron job. The SSD I used in my office machine was a Kingston. I have to say I was impressed by their customer service. I emailed them on Monday and got an RMA number

Re: [Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread bv
On Saturday 23 October 2010 18:23:12 Andy Pugh wrote: On 23 October 2010 17:57, bv b...@btconnect.com wrote: $SOURCES/emc2-2.4.4/src/hal/drivers/hal_m5i20.c:288: error: implicit declaration of function 'pci_find_device' Part of one of the instructions at

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Andy Pugh wrote: Possibly. I have read somewhere that a sane (200uS) servo-thread _execution_ period is only enough time to shift 50 bytes through a parallel port. That is potentially limiting, but has not been a problem I have noticed with my 4-axis machine. The software stepgens running in

Re: [Emc-users] compiling emc2_2.4.4 on cblfs

2010-10-23 Thread bv
On Saturday 23 October 2010 19:12:14 bv wrote: Part of one of the instructions at http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/emc2-ubuntu is sed -i 's/pci_find_device/pci_get_device/g' *.c thanks the sed allowed progress. However I had also passed the following line to configure:-

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Ibbotson
Thanks Andy and Jon, I'm beginning to understand. Regards Andy -- From: Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:14 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Ibbotson
Ok, so if I have this right: Servo thread periods of 1000us - 2000us are fine for 3/4 axis mill cutting steel / aluminium with rapids of say 120ipm. Benefit of hardware stepgens is improved resolution of accelerating / decelerating pulse trains - makes better use of stepper motors are high

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Ian W. Wright
FWIW, I've had to replace the SSD in my son's quite expensive notebook twice in less than 15 months. I've seen a couple of articles saying how they have only a limited number of read/write cycles before they are lible to fail - I don't think I'd like to trust important data to one yet... Ian

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
What was the brand of ssd? On Oct 23, 2010 4:54 PM, Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net wrote: FWIW, I've had to replace the SSD in my son's quite expensive notebook twice in less than 15 months. I've seen a couple of articles saying how they have only a limited number of read/write cycles

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread James Reed
Yes, but you can have the 7i43 or 5i20 perform the PID calculations. This offloads the control update rates to the FPGA, and lessens the burden on the parallel or PCI port. I am in the process of using a 7i43 for a Bridgeport BTC-1 retrofit, and haven't had any problems with update rates.

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-23 Thread Andy Pugh
On 23 October 2010 23:29, James Reed jsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, but you can have the 7i43 or 5i20 perform the PID calculations. Are you sure? -- atp -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Igor Chudov
Looks really bad! On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: At work we use Siemens Mircobox 427 PC's to control machines.  They have a heat sink on the back and don't have a fan.  Some of them are using compact flash for a hard drive and we use EWFMGR Enhanced Write

Re: [Emc-users] pico servo driver

2010-10-23 Thread Cathrine Hribar
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:57:57 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: HI John: How much is the pico servo driver boards? Do they require a brakeout board? Thanks; Bill -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Those old PCs need to be refitted with new hard drives every time. I would expect this atom box to use 20-25 watts of power also. Reports of their reliability are overblown. I used a Dell Dimension 4100 on my Bridgeport Interact and it would occasionally fail to boot, for

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: man hdparm OK, thanks. Wow, too many options there! But, I think I see that it is the APM settings that I want to change. I use rdiff-backup, it is great and is incremental. OK, have to read up on that. Thanks! Jon

Re: [Emc-users] pico servo driver

2010-10-23 Thread Jon Elson
Cathrine Hribar wrote: HI John: How much is the pico servo driver boards? Do they require a brakeout board? I am not sure what boards you are referring to. We have a Universal PWM Controller, and PWM-input servo amplifiers for both brush and brushless motors. The servo amplifiers