Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
The UV (300-410nm) resins are easily made clear in the visible spectrum. Mercury lamps in off the shelf DLP projectors output in this range but the color wheels and optical coatings on the lenses reduce it's efficiency. On 06/27/2013 09:50 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > The problem with clear resin is

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Jon Elson
Gregg Eshelman wrote: > > What I'd like to see for this type of printer is a clear resin to see if can > print refractive lenses, as is possible with the newer Objet printers. > The problem with clear resin is the light that cures the resin will penetrate too deeply, making it hard to have sha

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Jon Elson
Gregg Eshelman wrote: > Google this (no, not kidding about the name) > lemon curry 3d printer > > The design uses a DLP projector with color and UV filters removed. 3D models > are sliced into sections then those profiles are projected either onto the > bottom of a clear tank or onto the top of t

Re: [Emc-users] BeagleBone Black image not booting for me

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/27/2013 3:54 PM, Troy Jacobson wrote: > Finally success. Last night I got the linuxcnc ui running on the > bone. The frustrating part is that I did pretty much the same thing > I've been doing all along. I can say the my laptop was > occationall

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
My understanding is that it was done with a small profit motive. There are several shields for the Arduino's that targeted driving the steppers and extruders in repraps from several vendors. http://reprap.org/wiki/List_of_electronics The only other reason I heard about was the lack of desire to

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
They still could easily have gone with examining previous work to see what was attempted. A recent example here: On a thread here recently, some people were trying to determine how to keep the spool synchronized with the extruder head so that the stepper on the extruder head did not need to have a

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman
The man who invented the string trimmer was denied a patent because it was "obvious" to combine a small gas engine, some aluminum tube, a speedometer cable and some heavy fishing line into a device to cut weeds. On Thu, 6/27/13, Bari wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
If you use photopolymers with initiators into the visible spectrum (400-440nm) you can leave the filters in and still achieve 1 second cure times per <100um layer. Clear lenses are possible with features down to the few microns with inexpensive equipment. Sub-micron (>100nm) features are obtain

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:31:46 -0400, you wrote: >First off.. I don't have a 3d printer.But it seems to me that some >interactivity with the "printer" might be a very good idea. > >How would you feel if you had to run your mill/router/lathe by inserting >an SD card and hitting the run button!

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
IANAL as well but the courts seemed to have changed the definition of "obvious". http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2013/01/the-federal-circuits-new-obviousness-jurisprudence-an-empirical-study.html If you look at these obvious patents you'll see that it doesn't even mean obvious to the layman or

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Thu, 6/27/13, Dave wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface? To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Date: Thursday, June 27, 2013, 9:29 AM I have been randomly watching the 3D printer efforts from the sidelines and for the most part I have not been impres

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Thu, 6/27/13, Charles Buckley wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface? To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Date: Thursday, June 27, 2013, 8:47 AM I suspect that that is on their long-term roadmap. But, right now, they are trying to re-invent the whee

Re: [Emc-users] OT, Programable winch design, need help

2013-06-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Thu, 6/27/13, andy pugh wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT, Programable winch design, need help To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thursday, June 27, 2013, 5:22 AM On 27 June 2013 10:23, Erik Christiansen wrote: > No, that is in error, I believe, and the original statement

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Kenneth Lerman
IANAL, But as far as I know, the only part of a patent that *really* matters is the claims. So even though the description seems obvious, the claims might say something like: where the insulator is made of pure unobtainium. That might be non-obvious. Ken On 6/27/2013 3:53 PM, Charles Buckley

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
3D Systems filed a patent infringement suit against Form Labs for the Form1 earlier this year. The original patent had expired and the original patent holder has even sold off over half of his stock. http://www.wired.com/design/2012/11/3d-systems-formlabs-lawsuit/ http://news.investors.com/tech

Re: [Emc-users] BeagleBone Black image not booting for me

2013-06-27 Thread Troy Jacobson
Finally success. Last night I got the linuxcnc ui running on the bone. The frustrating part is that I did pretty much the same thing I've been doing all along. I can say the my laptop was occationally acting weird during this time. I was also led astray by the two constant LEDs (they were flash

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 June 2013 16:15:48 Charles Buckley did opine: > And some further patents: > > https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts#tbm=pts&tbm=pts&q=ininventor:%22Kornelis > +Frits+Feenstra%22&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=5b260c5b98cf1da2&biw=1527&bih=84 > 0 Busy fellow, that Feenstra was. I looked at the fi

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 June 2013 16:08:14 Charles Buckley did opine: > Well, yes, I would expect that to be the case. > > http://www.google.com/patents/US6722872 > > "Disclosed is a three-dimensional modeling apparatus (*10*) that builds > up three-dimensional objects in a heated build chamber (*24*) by

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
And some further patents: https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts#tbm=pts&tbm=pts&q=ininventor:%22Kornelis+Frits+Feenstra%22&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=5b260c5b98cf1da2&biw=1527&bih=840 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2013 14:59:37 Charles Buckley did opine: > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
Well, yes, I would expect that to be the case. http://www.google.com/patents/US6722872 "Disclosed is a three-dimensional modeling apparatus (*10*) that builds up three-dimensional objects in a heated build chamber (*24*) by dispensing modeling material from a dispensing head (*14*) onto a base (*

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Dave wrote: > >>Analog PID works at a (near) infinite > rate. > > Yeah... when was the last time anyone worked on one of those. > All the time. The VAST majority of switching power supplies out there are analog loops. Wall warts, all your computer power supplie

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 June 2013 15:08:26 andy pugh did opine: > On 27 June 2013 18:33, John Thornton wrote: > > Opps there is a gearchange component, maybe that is the problem... > > Ah, yes. I meant to call it "gearbox" That is an interesting bit of code Andy, and I've looked at it several times bec

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Dave
On 6/27/2013 11:51 AM, Steve Stallings wrote: > > >> I respectfully disagree. As long as the integral term is >> normalized to the >> run rate, there is nearly no effect to running the loop >> faster than then >> the time constant. Analog PID works at a (near) infinite >> rate. >> > OK

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 June 2013 19:29, John Thornton wrote: > Andy, I'm not following how to populate the table with the bit patterns. > Can you give me a small example? It might simply not work… But if gear 1 was solenoid 1, and gear 2 was solenoid 3 and solenoid 4, then setp gearchange32.0.table-01 1 setp gea

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 June 2013 14:59:37 Charles Buckley did opine: > Well, on January 28th, 2014 the next generation of stereolithography > patents expire. That will increase the resolution a ridiculous amount. Interesting, until some troll crawls out of the swamp. Are there any other gotchas that w

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Andy, I'm not following how to populate the table with the bit patterns. Can you give me a small example? JT On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches >> in the headstock

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
I called it gearchange32 and after rebooting and changing the license line it compiles and loads. JT On 6/27/2013 12:51 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 18:33, John Thornton wrote: >> Opps there is a gearchange component, maybe that is the problem... > Ah, yes. I meant to call it "gearbox

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 June 2013 18:33, John Thornton wrote: > Opps there is a gearchange component, maybe that is the problem... Ah, yes. I meant to call it "gearbox" -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Opps there is a gearchange component, maybe that is the problem... JT On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches >> in the headstock ( high and low range)The gear changes

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Must have been a copy and paste issue with windblows... however I did find your missing the ; after the license JT On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches >> in the head

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Sorry figured out how to use personality. On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches >> in the headstock ( high and low range)The gear changes only take place,when >> the

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Andy, When I tested just the pins and parameters the parameters don't show up with show all... possibly I don't know how to load a component with a personality... JT On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread John Thornton
Andy, It does not compile and the error is ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack I tried a few things and I think your missing a } but I can't seem to figure it out. JT On 6/27/2013 11:14 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > >> The gear box has 6 magneti

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
Well, on January 28th, 2014 the next generation of stereolithography patents expire. That will increase the resolution a ridiculous amount. Linuxcnc is a much more adaptable baseline for any of these machines. I would expect to see a lot of UI changes and movement with it. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Bari
I agree with you. When the GGG (Glorified Glue Gun) fad started a few years ago many of the maker folk looked at Linuxcnc since it had been used to control multi-axis machines for over a decade. Some of them felt that it was too complicated and expensive to control their GGG made mostly of thre

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 June 2013 14:03, john mcintyre wrote: > The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches in > the headstock ( high and low range)The gear changes only take place,when > there is no load.I have the truth tables to select the magnetic clutches > required for eac

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread dave
On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 11:13 -0400, Dave wrote: > I do a fair amount of industrial PID related software work. > > The output of a digital Temp control PID is usually a 0-100% "signal". > Then that signal is used to vary the heat input to whatever you are > trying to control. > For instance, wit

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Steve Stallings
> I respectfully disagree. As long as the integral term is > normalized to the > run rate, there is nearly no effect to running the loop > faster than then > the time constant. Analog PID works at a (near) infinite > rate. OK, point taken. My caution comes from the fact that many digital i

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Steve Stallings
Lots of good responses already here, but I want to emphasize a couple of the points. If you are reading the temperature 20 times per second, then you should only run the PID loop 20 times per second. Anything more is just excess gain and an invitation to trouble. The actual loop rate (read and cor

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Dave wrote: > Your PID loop is likely running a lot faster than what is required. Agreed. > The PID loop should run 10x to 50x the time constant of the control > system. Any faster and you will end up with very small changes in tuning > values that make a hu

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Dave
I have been randomly watching the 3D printer efforts from the sidelines and for the most part I have not been impressed at all. I think you are right ... they are way, way behind. To many, it seems that reinventing the wheel is how they learn but at the expense of making any meaningful progre

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Ron Bean
>Loading an SD card works because it >is pretty bullet-proof and easy to manage as is just pressing a button. Also, most of them are running from laptops, so they don't have a parallel port or PCI slots. -- This SF.net

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread alex chiosso
Hi Charles. If I'm not wrong in HAL you can setup "threads" as you need. So I believe that perform the PID every 1ms is too fast and not needed for a "relatively slow" temperature control. Also because you have a 20ms reading temperature cycle. If you look at the HAL User Manual you will find the

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Dave
I do a fair amount of industrial PID related software work. The output of a digital Temp control PID is usually a 0-100% "signal". Then that signal is used to vary the heat input to whatever you are trying to control. For instance, with band and cartridge heaters, the duty cycle of a Solid St

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 09:42:37AM -0500, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > I was trying some small I gains, mostly between .001 and .024. I > _think_ the PID thread rate is being accounted for, but if not that > could easily explain things (I'll have to dig through the code). The pid manpage tells

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
I suspect that that is on their long-term roadmap. But, right now, they are trying to re-invent the wheel. After 6 years of development, they are now only about 30 years behind the industry standards. Rep-rap has been developed from the Maker movement. The one major knock I have against that is t

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Great info Stephen! I was trying some small I gains, mostly between .001 and .024. I _think_ the PID thread rate is being accounted for, but if not that could easily explain things (I'll have to dig through the code). I suspect, however, that given

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 June 2013 10:04:30 Charles Steinkuehler did opine: > I am having some issues tuning the PID loop for temperature control on > my LinuxCNC controlled 3D printer, so I thought I'd ask about some > best practices for PID setup. > > QUESTION: > How are gains typically arranged in a PID

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Dave
First off.. I don't have a 3d printer.But it seems to me that some interactivity with the "printer" might be a very good idea. How would you feel if you had to run your mill/router/lathe by inserting an SD card and hitting the run button! 8-O Even my el-cheaper printers interact with my PC

Re: [Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
The scaling is in the units of the input and output. You don't need to scale the output 100x as you could just use 100x smaller PID values. Integral gain should be in the form of output per second given one unit of input (though I don't know if LCNC normalizes the summing rate or you have to divi

[Emc-users] PID Best Practices

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am having some issues tuning the PID loop for temperature control on my LinuxCNC controlled 3D printer, so I thought I'd ask about some best practices for PID setup. QUESTION: How are gains typically arranged in a PID control loop? Is the PID outpu

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wendt
It was just a snarky comment on my part about Windows. [?] Mark On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Charles Buckley wrote: > Sure.. Windows, Android, iOS... whatever.. > > Charles > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Charles Buckley > >

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Buckley
Sure.. Windows, Android, iOS... whatever.. Charles On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Charles Buckley >wrote: > > > Bear in mind that if you separate the GUI from Linuxcnc, you can start to > > do things like: > > > > > > > http://arstechnic

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread john mcintyre
Good Day All, The gear box has 6 magnetic clutches in the gearboxand 2 magnetic clutches in the headstock ( high and low range)The gear changes only take place,when there is no load.I have the truth tables to select the magnetic clutches required for each spindle speed . Cheers john > From:

Re: [Emc-users] OT, Programable winch design, need help

2013-06-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 June 2013 10:23, Erik Christiansen wrote: > No, that is in error, I believe, and the original statement stands. > A 1.5g deceleration is one where the decelerating mass experiences 1.5g > of acceleration forces. I think that the 1.5g was calculated from stop-distance, so I think that it is

Re: [Emc-users] 16 speed gear change

2013-06-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 June 2013 02:04, john mcintyre wrote: > I have a mazak M3 NC lathe,that I hope to convert > to linux cnc control, and need some information or direction to enable the 16 > speed gear change to operate under linux. Is the gearchange the only speed control, or is there a variable frequency d

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Ed Nisley
On 06/27/2013 02:37 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: > so I don't see what advantage having the printer connected to LinuxCNC could > be It should avoid little nasties like this (scope pix near the end): http://softsolder.com/2013/06/04/marlin-firmware-stepper-interrupt-timing/ Arduino-class microcon

Re: [Emc-users] Why doesn't LinuxCNC run? Error log attached.

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > > It's moronic to run windows. > Fixed that for ya... ;-) Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wi

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Charles Buckley wrote: > Bear in mind that if you separate the GUI from Linuxcnc, you can start to > do things like: > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/windows-8-1-offers-native-drivers-for-3d-printers/ > What, run Windows? ;-) Mark ---

Re: [Emc-users] Brain-Dead LinuxCNC G-Code Interface?

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Charles Buckley wrote: > Bear in mind that if you separate the GUI from Linuxcnc, you can start to > do things like: > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/windows-8-1-offers-native-drivers-for-3d-printers/ > What, run Windows? ;-) Mark

Re: [Emc-users] OT, Programable winch design, need help

2013-06-27 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.06.13 10:26, Jon Elson wrote: > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 26.06.13 01:30, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > > > >> If you're near a coast or large/deep lake you might find a deal on a > >> used electric downrigger. Load it up with 300 pound test line and > >> there's your mechanicals, just nee

Re: [Emc-users] Problems with -- HP Compaq 6005 Pro SFF PC

2013-06-27 Thread Ing. Alexander Pasicznyk
Thank you for the answer, some questions: 1) Boot partition: you mean to small? 1.1) The Linux system runs without any problem, only the real time thinks (latency-test and Linuxcnc) didn't work. 2) disk/bios combination - you mean special bios settings (if yes what settings?) 2.1) or you mean t