Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Chris Albertson
The OP said he needs a 1KHz sample rate. Those chips are about 50x to slow. Doing both high resolution and high bandwidth will be a hard problem. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:01 PM Nathan Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:38 AM Curtis Dutton wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
Standard strain gages have a usable resolution of about 6000, as far as I know. > On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Nathan Hartman wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:38 AM Curtis Dutton wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17 PM Chris Albertson >> >> wrote: >> >>> If you want better than 16-b

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:38 AM Curtis Dutton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17 PM Chris Albertson > > wrote: > > > If you want better than 16-bits and 1KHz then you also are going to need > a > > very good quality analog signal conditioning and instrumentation > amplifier. > > The analog

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Chris Albertson
One way to measure force is with a spring. Force is measured by looking at spring displacement. It is kind of like the load cell idea but you use a spring scale. Another way that is not quite to accurate is to measure the current in the motor. Current is proportional to torque. On Wed, Sep

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Curtis Dutton
my experiment is to use a force measuring device to proportionally control torque output on a servo attached to a ball screw. as a thought experiment imagine a platform hoisted by said ball screw. as you added weight to the platform the motor torque would increase to offset the weight and keep it

Re: [Emc-users] Feasibility of moving from 2.5 to 2.8

2019-09-18 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:27, Andy Howell wrote: > > I don't have a specific need for 2.8 over 2.7. I want to avoid > installing 2.7 and having 2.8 come out soon after. > > Are there any reasons I should not attempt 2.8? > Not that I can see. It has a few subtle problems still, but only in unusu

Re: [Emc-users] Feasibility of moving from 2.5 to 2.8

2019-09-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 18 September 2019 17:15:24 Andy Howell wrote: > On 9/18/19 2:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 September 2019 12:46:15 Andy Howell wrote: > >> Our high school has a couple gantry based CNC routers running > >> version 2.5. From perusing the list, it seems like 2.8 is fair

Re: [Emc-users] Feasibility of moving from 2.5 to 2.8

2019-09-18 Thread Andy Howell
On 9/18/19 2:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 18 September 2019 12:46:15 Andy Howell wrote: Our high school has a couple gantry based CNC routers running version 2.5. From perusing the list, it seems like 2.8 is fairly stable even though its not released. I've got a pendant and some oth

Re: [Emc-users] Feasibility of moving from 2.5 to 2.8

2019-09-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 18 September 2019 12:46:15 Andy Howell wrote: > Our high school has a couple gantry based CNC routers running version > 2.5. From perusing the list, it seems like 2.8 is fairly stable even > though its not released. I've got a pendant and some other add-ons I > want to install. I'd ra

[Emc-users] Feasibility of moving from 2.5 to 2.8

2019-09-18 Thread Andy Howell
Our high school has a couple gantry based CNC routers running version 2.5. From perusing the list, it seems like 2.8 is fairly stable even though its not released. I've got a pendant and some other add-ons I want to install. I'd rather put the effort into getting them working on a new system th

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Chris Albertson
in any case, even with lower 16-bit precision, the most important part of the design is the analog portion that sits between the load cell and the A/D converter. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:38 AM Curtis Dutton wrote: > Chris thanks for the info. > > I'm not exactly certain at this point what pre

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Dave Cole
On 9/18/2019 11:15 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17 PM Chris Albertson wrote: If you want better than 16-bits and 1KHz then you also are going to need a very good quality analog signal conditioning and instrumentation amplifier. I've never heard of anybody getting 16-bit res

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread dave engvall
MAX11905 might do the job. 20 bit. but spendy. probably $50 in singles. QSPI and SPI for interfaces. data rate 1600 ksps. SAR > 16 bit gets really touchy... CMRR, noise, etc. Good luck. On 9/18/19 7:01 AM, Curtis Dutton wrote: Right now my test set up is going to consist of a 6i25, 7i85 and an

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Jon Elson
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17 PM Chris Albertson wrote: If you want better than 16-bits and 1KHz then you also are going to need a very good quality analog signal conditioning and instrumentation amplifier. I've never heard of anybody getting 16-bit resolution from a load cell or strain gauge.

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Curtis Dutton
Right now my test set up is going to consist of a 6i25, 7i85 and an 8i20. I wonder if the 7i85 could expose a BSPI interface. Or could I tack a BSPI on to the 6i25's spare 25 pin connector? I also am considering just writing a parallel port driver running at some higher rate than the servo thread

Re: [Emc-users] ADC - realtime for load cell

2019-09-18 Thread Curtis Dutton
Chris thanks for the info. I'm not exactly certain at this point what precision I need. I'll be determining that experimentally later. I will keep in mind what you have said, I'll deal with it after I get my hardware running. On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:17 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > If you want