Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread John Dammeyer
Andy's approach is what I had in mind. Additionally I also made sure that I turned the outside to be concentric with the inside. It's a very tight fit on the 14mm motor shaft. And a firm fit on the encoder shaft. And still it wobbles. So out comes the dial indicator with the encoder

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Cristian Bontas
Hi The way I see the picture, you have quite a few microns of play only in the roughness of the hole. Using the screws that way amplifies the problem, as is pushes all the error to one side. I think the best option is to buy an elastic coupling. Ideally one that fits both sizes, but just

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread dave engvall
It is not unusual for shaft mounted encoders to have some strain relief rather than a hard connection. see link.

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Reamers can be some fun stuff. I hand reamed the spindle on a 1913 Sears Expert (made by South Bend, an "Old, reliable" manufacturer that was all of 4 years old back then) 14" metal lathe out to just over 3/4". The ends of the spindle bore were just a hair over 3/4" but in between was smaller

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread johnd
Mine is a used BEI encoder I was given more than 10 years ago. Digikey lists them at $800. For the sake of this Pi4 spindle testing I could just use the servo Amp encoder outputs scaled down by the drive. Would be easier. Sent from my Samsung S10 Original message From: Chris

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Gerrit Visser
Reamers don't work well in nominal size holes. So always leave enough meat ofr it to do its work. The attached link gives good info on that topic. Machine reamers cut on the leading edge only, there is no taper. Hand reamers have a taper, and won't cut to a shoulder. If concentricity is the

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 16:52, John Dammeyer wrote: > I'm thinking the better approach would be to drill all the way through > undersize 3/8" and then drill half way with 13mm. Then only use the boring > tool to bring the back half up to 3/8" and the front up to 14mm. I would drill 8.5mm then

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Chris Albertson
By total coincidence, I am doing the exact same thing. I just bought a 600 line optical encoder and now I'm attaching it directly to a motor. The purpose is to write and debug some control software. In this case, I REALLY DO WANT to run at the encoder's maximum rated speed of 5000 RPM, or

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Chris Albertson
I think it is best to back up and look at the bigger picture. Solid couplers are almost never the way to go. Or if you do use a solid couple the motor or encoders needs to be mounted with rubber bushings.I shouldn't be 100% solid. Buy one of these, then bore of one of the holes for the

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Sounds like a good plan. Hopefully the testing won't involve high rpms so the od not being perfectly concentric will not matter. The motor bearings will handle it but maybe the encoder bearings won't be as robust. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:52 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > This isn't as much a

Re: [Emc-users] Running 440V 3PH 2 speed motor off 220V 3PH or 1PH?

2021-06-18 Thread Chris Albertson
The question about transformers was if the transformer could be placed BETWEEN the VFD and the motor. Of course the VFD does not care if there is a transformer between it and the utility power. The problem being discussed here is that the motor wants 440 volts and only 220 is available. The

Re: [Emc-users] Running 440V 3PH 2 speed motor off 220V 3PH or 1PH?

2021-06-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 6/17/21 8:45 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: Everything I've read on VFDs says do not feed them from a transformer. WHY?  Every VFD is being run from a transformer!  What's that thing up on a pole beside your house, or on a pad behind your industrial shop?  Yes, it is a

Re: [Emc-users] Running 440V 3PH 2 speed motor off 220V 3PH or 1PH?

2021-06-18 Thread Les Newell
Transformers on the output are a bad idea but it's safe to run them on the input. You just need to keep in mind that most inverters have a pretty poor power factor so you need to up-rate your transformer to suit. Two of my machines run 415V inverters on 240->415 single phase step up

Re: [Emc-users] Running 440V 3PH 2 speed motor off 220V 3PH or 1PH?

2021-06-18 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 06:33, Chris Albertson wrote: > > This is because any power transformer is almost certainly designed for 60Hz > or possibly 50 Hz in Europe. If the VFD created a different frequency the > transformer would not work well. The input side is still at 50Hz even if the output