[Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Todd Zuercher
I have some brushless servos that I am trying to find some drives for. I want to use them with Linuxcnc and I don't have any other hardware to go with them (yet). They are old ElectroCraft servos. XBR-2910 (part# 1834629030) Specs: Torque Constant (Kt) : 1.8 in-lbs/ amp Voltage Constant (

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread andy pugh
Looking on eBay at similar motors, there seems to be an awful lot of wires on the encoder connector. Have you any idea what sort of encoder it is? There are enough wires for it to be an absolute encoder, I think. Or it could just be power and differential encoder + halls (14 wires, maybe 16 with se

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Eric Keller
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM, andy pugh wrote: > Looking on eBay at similar motors, there seems to be an awful lot of > wires on the encoder connector. Have you any idea what sort of encoder > it is? > I couldn't find one of those motors, and I'm not familiar with that series, but typically t

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Elson
Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Is there enough of an advantage to sinusoidal commutation to justify the > added expense of a sinusoidal drive, or is an inexpensive trapezoidal > drive good enough? > The older the motor, the more likely they are wound SPECIFICALLY for trapezoidal drive. Some newer mot

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Todd Zuercher
There are 15 wires in the encoder cable plug: Shielding +Vcc Data (5volt) GND Data S1 (Hall Signals on the encoder) S2 S3 +Vcc COMM (5volt) GND COMM CH A (Differential encoders) CH A- CH B CH B- Index Index- TC1 (these two go to the a temp sensor in the motor) TC2 -- P. Graham Dunn Phone:

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 July 2012 17:31, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > There are 15 wires in the encoder cable plug: > Shielding > +Vcc Data (5volt) > GND Data > S1 (Hall Signals on the encoder) > S2 > S3 > +Vcc COMM (5volt) > GND COMM > CH A (Differential encoders) > CH A- > CH B > CH B- > Index > Index- > TC1 (thes

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Todd Zuercher
s.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations? Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Is there enough of an advantage to sinusoidal commutation to justify the > added expense of a sinusoidal drive, or is an inexpensi

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Eric Keller
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote: > Is there a Way to tell if a motor is trapezoidal wound? > If it has halls on one connector and an encoder added, it probably is trapezoidal. If it just has halls, it definitely is trapezoidal. Most of the higher-end servo motors are wound f

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Elson
Todd Zuercher wrote: > There are 15 wires in the encoder cable plug: > Shielding > +Vcc Data (5volt) > GND Data > S1 (Hall Signals on the encoder) > S2 > S3 > +Vcc COMM (5volt) > GND COMM > CH A (Differential encoders) > CH A- > CH B > CH B- > Index > Index- > TC1 (these two go to the a temp sen

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: > In that case the motors will work nicely with almost any conventional > drive including the Pico one. http://www.pico-systems.com/acservo.html > It will also work with the 8i20, but that needs a Mesa interface card > (whereas I think the Pico drive will work with any PWM source,

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Elson
Todd Zuercher wrote: > Is there a Way to tell if a motor is trapezoidal wound? > In theory, if you spun it at a constant rate and observed the waveform on an oscilloscope, it would be non-sinusoidal. But, I've never been able to tell the difference. > Besides trying it both ways and seeing whi

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 July 2012 22:28:46 Jon Elson did opine: > Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Is there a Way to tell if a motor is trapezoidal wound? > > In theory, if you spun it at a constant rate and observed the waveform > on an oscilloscope, it would be non-sinusoidal. But, I've never been > able to te

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > With a big enough flywheel to assure a pretty constant angular velocity in > the presence of the motors natural cogging tendency, I still don't think > the diffs would be all that visible on the scope. These brushless SERVO motors have VERY little cogging. I have some slot

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:37:06 -0400 "Todd Zuercher" wrote: > Or a Mesa 8i20 but then I have to buy or build a power supply. I have a power supply PCB that mounts above the 8i20 already designed. I have enough in the field at this point to be confident that they work. I'm out of PCBs at the momen

Re: [Emc-users] Drive Recomendations?

2012-07-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:37:06 -0400 "Todd Zuercher" wrote: > Or a Mesa 8i20 but then I have to buy or build a power supply. I just read more of the thread... If you're not using Mesa hardware for the rest of your system, you may be better off with Pico Systems drives. Two reasons: 1. Your motor