Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Jeshua Lacock wrote: >> >> I guess the problem is I don't know all the terminology. >> >> Yes, I guess that is correct. I assume the 'open-loop steppers or servos >> with LinuxCNC closing the loop' is the best setup? For instance, that would >>

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-10 Thread Jon Elson
Andy Pugh wrote: > On 9 Apr 2012, at 18:05, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > > >> So I had assumed that it was based on the encoder resolution. >> > > It possibly is, but indirectly. It may be that the drives move one encoder > count per input step, so with high encoder resolution you run out of in

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-10 Thread Andy Pugh
On 9 Apr 2012, at 18:05, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > > So I had assumed that it was based on the encoder resolution. It possibly is, but indirectly. It may be that the drives move one encoder count per input step, so with high encoder resolution you run out of input (to the drive) step rate. >

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: > In other words, if issuing pulses to the Gecko was not a bottleneck, how fast > can the Geckos count the encoder lines - as fast as needed? > I think that is 250,000 counts/second. Jon -- Bette

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: > > I guess the problem is I don't know all the terminology. > > Yes, I guess that is correct. I assume the 'open-loop steppers or servos with > LinuxCNC closing the loop' is the best setup? For instance, that would allow > the fastest control, and double as a DRO when the po

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andy Pugh wrote: > On 9 Apr 2012, at 13:09, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > >> All I know is I only have enough pulse bandwidth to run my servos quite >> slow. I thought this was based on how fast my computer can send pulses to >> the Geckos. > > If the drive is set to 100

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Andy Pugh wrote: > On 9 Apr 2012, at 11:20, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > >> I have two wires from my power source connected to the Geckos, two wires >> from the geckos to power the motor, the common wire, 5v and ground for the >> encoder, then encoder A/B going to the Ge

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Andy Pugh
On 9 Apr 2012, at 13:09, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > All I know is I only have enough pulse bandwidth to run my servos quite slow. > I thought this was based on how fast my computer can send pulses to the > Geckos. If the drive is set to 1 pulses per inch and you are using software step gene

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Andy Pugh
On 9 Apr 2012, at 11:20, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > I have two wires from my power source connected to the Geckos, two wires from > the geckos to power the motor, the common wire, 5v and ground for the > encoder, then encoder A/B going to the Gecko, and step/dir coming from the > parallel port.

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : >> >> On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:16 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: >> >>> 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : How is that possible? The encoders are connected to the Geckos, not through the parallel port >>> >>> I do n

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:16 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : >>> >>> How is that possible? The encoders are connected to the Geckos, not through >>> the parallel port >> >> I do not understand, what exactly is not clear to You :) >> AFAIK Gecko d

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:16 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : >> >> How is that possible? The encoders are connected to the Geckos, not through >> the parallel port…. > > I do not understand, what exactly is not clear to You :) > AFAIK Gecko drives will need the encoder signal f

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Steve Stallings
troller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card? > > 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : > > > > How is that possible? The encoders are connected to the > Geckos, not through the parallel port.. > > I do not understand, what exactly is not clear to You :) > AFAIK Gecko

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : > > How is that possible? The encoders are connected to the Geckos, not through > the parallel port…. I do not understand, what exactly is not clear to You :) AFAIK Gecko drives will need the encoder signal for them to function, so each encoder signal will have to be spli

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 9, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : >> >> On Apr 8, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: >> >>> >>> 2012/4/8 Jeshua Lacock : I was just thinking about the set up as I understand it (i.e. the Mesa card replacing my parallel port conne

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-09 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/9 Jeshua Lacock : > > On Apr 8, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> >> 2012/4/8 Jeshua Lacock : >>> >>> I was just thinking about the set up as I understand it (i.e. the Mesa card >>> replacing my parallel port connected directly to the Geckos). It seems like >>> the encoders woul

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:14:15 -0600 >> From: Jeshua Lacock >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:14:15 -0600 > From: Jeshua Lacock > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card? > >

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: > I don't know if you're committed to the Mesa cards yet but have you checked > out Pico System's step and direction card. It's more expensive but may be a > better fit for the Gecko drives. > http://pico-systems.com/osc2.5/catalog/product_info.p

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Greg Bernard
run out before we tackle that. -Thomas Edison, inventor (1847-1931) > > From: Jeshua Lacock >To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 4:14 PM >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card? > > >On Apr 8, 2012

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 8, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/4/8 Jeshua Lacock : >> >> I emailed Mesa to inquire about purchasing, and it looks like I would want >> the firmware set to support the Gecko 540. (that is the only Gecko >> controller they list support for). > > What support in firmwar

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/8 Jeshua Lacock : > > I emailed Mesa to inquire about purchasing, and it looks like I would want > the firmware set to support the Gecko 540. (that is the only Gecko controller > they list support for). What support in firmware does one or other particular drive need, if it is fed only st

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Tom Easterday
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > I was just thinking about the set up as I understand it (i.e. the Mesa card > replacing my parallel port connected directly to the Geckos). It seems like > the encoders would have to connect to the Mesa card to benefit from any > increased encod

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-08 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: > On 7 Apr 2012, at 22:06, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > >> OK, so I just have to give them a list of how my parallel port pins are >> connected to my Gecko 320s then? > > Basically, yes, though there are a number of other folk who can make > firmwares

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Andy Pugh
On 7 Apr 2012, at 22:06, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > OK, so I just have to give them a list of how my parallel port pins are > connected to my Gecko 320s then? Basically, yes, though there are a number of other folk who can make firmwares (including me) and the instructions are on the Wiki. The o

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Andy Pugh wrote: > On 7 Apr 2012, at 18:02, Tom Easterday wrote: > >> Yes, they are compatible. We run a a 320x with the Mesa 7i43TA card. > > I think that is the answer to a slightly different question. > The 5i23 in the G540 configuration emulates the parallel p

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Tom Easterday
On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Andy Pugh wrote: > > > On 7 Apr 2012, at 18:02, Tom Easterday wrote: > >> Yes, they are compatible. We run a a 320x with the Mesa 7i43TA card. > > I think that is the answer to a slightly different question. > The 5i23 in the G540 configuration emulates the par

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Andy Pugh
On 7 Apr 2012, at 18:02, Tom Easterday wrote: > Yes, they are compatible. We run a a 320x with the Mesa 7i43TA card. I think that is the answer to a slightly different question. The 5i23 in the G540 configuration emulates the parallel port pinout that suits a G540. What this means is that t

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Tom Easterday
Yes, they are compatible. We run a a 320x with the Mesa 7i43TA card. -Tom On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> That is why I think that 5i25 card would do much better - less >> rewiring (actually You might get away with no

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-07 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > That is why I think that 5i25 card would do much better - less > rewiring (actually You might get away with no rewiring at all) and > there also is price difference. Plug it straight in pci slot and > attach Your existing lpt cables to it. The o

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-06 Thread Anders Wallin
>> That is why I think that 5i25 card would do much better - less >> rewiring (actually You might get away with no rewiring at all) and >> there also is price difference. Plug it straight in pci slot and >> attach Your existing lpt cables to it. The only thing to do is sort >> out the firmware - mo

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-06 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/4/6 Jeshua Lacock : >> >> Is there anything I will need to order besides the Mesa's 4I30? How simple >> is it to wire up? I assume the encoder signals go to the Mesa? How are the >> Geckos wired? What does the parallel port connect to? >

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/6 Jeshua Lacock : > > Is there anything I will need to order besides the Mesa's 4I30? How simple is > it to wire up? I assume the encoder signals go to the Mesa? How are the > Geckos wired? What does the parallel port connect to? I have been using Mesa cards, but I am sticking with pci so

[Emc-users] Mesa counter card?

2012-04-05 Thread Jeshua Lacock
Greetings, Well my machine is up an running nicely now, but now I want to make it go faster! My Z axis is about 10,000 lines per inch, so it uses up my available bandwidth really fast. Right now I have the Z's max speed set to a mere 3 inches per sec. My Y is 24 inches per sec, and X is 10 in