Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/11/2019 01:34 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 11 March 2019 01:56:40 Greg Bernard wrote: Thanks once again, Jon. I've slowly been coming to the same conclusion, though lacking the detailed knowledge as you. The part that concerns me the most however is your caveat of being "run by a com

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/11/2019 12:56 AM, Greg Bernard wrote: Thanks once again, Jon. I've slowly been coming to the same conclusion, though lacking the detailed knowledge as you. The part that concerns me the most however is your caveat of being "run by a competent organization". ;) Well, this is a KEY part! Th

[Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 16:10, Peter Blodow wrote: Suddenly, a wave occurred, higher than the usual ones, so that they had > to run back to dry grounds, but all of them got we pants. He wondered > why that nuclear plant was built so close to the sea, considering the > fact that even without any ca

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Blodow
Jon, some time ago I was CET of a large research plant where we had a small  GE reactor, specialized for production of radiation, not power. We also used other radiation sources like gamma sources (cobalt), accelerators, lasers and aside from that, ultrasonic generators. Several hundreds of my

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Three Mile Island and Chernobyl get all the attention because TMI was a meltdown and Chernobyl exploded and melted, there's a solidified blob of insanely radioactive stuff in the basement. It used to visibly glow but has cooled down in temperature over they years. But the other deadly nuclear in

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Pebble bed reactors work quite well and are meltdown proof. A core of enriched uranium pellets are surrounded by seven alternating layers of ceramic and graphite. Detractors of the design claim that there are always cracks in the layers. Big deal, that's why there are seven layers. The chance o

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-11 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
1982 is a spring chicken for an American nuclear power plant. Three Mile Island and Fukushima are older, with the walls of lamps, switches and gauges. On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 10:18:07 AM MDT, Jon Elson wrote: On 03/09/2019 10:43 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > But such sy

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 March 2019 01:56:40 Greg Bernard wrote: > Thanks once again, Jon. I've slowly been coming to the same > conclusion, though lacking the detailed knowledge as you. The part > that concerns me the most however is your caveat of being "run by a > competent organization". ;) > Yes, thats h

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Thanks once again, Jon. I've slowly been coming to the same conclusion, though lacking the detailed knowledge as you. The part that concerns me the most however is your caveat of being "run by a competent organization". ;) On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 7:31 PM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:16 P

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.03.19 21:24, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > Only profiteers that pay off soviet style politicians. You want a "solar > company" to use your roof rent free and claim you have a profit? What about > roof leaks, Here in Australia factory painted galvanised steel sheet roofing is popular in rural area

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 3/10/19 2:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 22:57:02 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of > > don't rock the boat > > rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 > > more lessor 'acci

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 09:57 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of don't rock the boat rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 more lessor 'accidents' we haven't been t

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 16:04:28 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 12:41 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: > > Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever > > read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! > > I got real interested in Chernobyl and read up a LOT about > i

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of don't > rock the boat > rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 more > lessor 'accidents' we haven't been told about. > Gene, this is just not the case

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
. Thaddeus Waldner Newdale School Elkton, SD 57026 From: Bruce Layne Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:59 PM To: Chris Albertson; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode. On 3/10/19 5:12 PM,

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 12:53:04 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: > > Have any of us taken > > a geiger counter to the grocery store and checked the bagged or > > canned tuna lately? If I could find one I could afford, I would have > > long ago, but even junk thats for pa

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 04:16 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: Interesting stuff, Jon. Didn't know about the ongoing cleanup at Three Mile but it doesn't surprise me. Now I'm going to put you on the spot. Given our current need for carbon-free energy, do you see nuclear as a viable option? Yes! If a properly des

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Bruce Layne
On 3/10/19 5:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be > powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but > economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. > Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renew

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
Right. But many European countries suffered in WW II too, so I can't insist we were exclusive. The greatest problem for Ukraine has been very long Russian and Soviet occupation, which lead to enormous Holodomor in 1930s when millions of people were intentionally starved to death, and many other dre

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 3/10/19 2:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Dave Matthews
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:15 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > You get about 17 megawatt hours ($2800 at my current rate) from one > $400 panel before the 20 year warranty expires. That is a 30% rate > of return on the initial investment. Itis no wonder that Telsa is > offering to place panels on y

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Interesting stuff, Jon. Didn't know about the ongoing cleanup at Three Mile but it doesn't surprise me. Now I'm going to put you on the spot. Given our current need for carbon-free energy, do you see nuclear as a viable option? On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 3:06 PM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 12:

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable You get about 17 megawatt hours ($2800 at my c

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 12:41 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! I got real interested in Chernobyl and read up a LOT about it. I also got a most INCREDIBLE tour of our nearest nuclear

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:54 AM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: > > Have any of us taken > > a geiger counter to the grocery store and chec

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: Have any of us taken a geiger counter to the grocery store and checked the bagged or canned tuna lately? If I could find one I could afford, I would have long ago, but even junk thats for parts is half a kilobuck. If you think tuna might be bad, check your

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On Saturday 09 March 2019 23:43:26 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: The one problem I see as being really troublesome with the design of Fukushima is that it apparently was incapable of being fully self powering of all its systems at any time. No, not true. They had at least SEVEN Diesel

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2019 10:43 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: But such systems have existed for 30+ years. Many types of factories and plants use computer screens with graphical schematics and readouts of all the critical things. Operators can point and click to open and close valves, adjust tem

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2019 09:23 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Unfortunately for us, the sun has its own way of balanceing things and it generally Just Works. Thank $Diety its not big enough to nova, but will end ts life in 5 billion years as a bettelgues? lookalike. No, Betelgeuse is 30 solar masses, and will (m

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
You certainly got your problem in Ukraine, I guess Belarus and Ukraine is where most of world war II effort in both directions was spent and then came Chernobyl disaster. > I live in Ukraine where Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. I also live in > the region with uranium mines. > So we used t

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 10:32:34 Ken Strauss wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:08 AM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Ken Strauss
> -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:08 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational > mode. > The point I was belaboring is

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
I live in Ukraine where Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. I also live in the region with uranium mines. So we used to be very interested in radiation and all this stuff. Everyday the weather forecast on the radio said the background radiation level in uR/hr (probably still says but I don't liste

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 05:29:11 Andrew wrote: > нд, 10 бер. 2019 о 11:10 Gene Heskett: > > The point I was belaboring is that any one of us on this list could > > fix all that including me. But we'ed never in the next 10k years, be > > allowed to because the regulation is being done by people who

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
нд, 10 бер. 2019 о 11:10 Gene Heskett: > The point I was belaboring is that any one of us on this list could fix > all that including me. But we'ed never in the next 10k years, be allowed > to because the regulation is being done by people who have never > understood the real power of the genie th

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 March 2019 23:43:26 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > Three Mile Island's containment worked. Only a small amount of > radioactive steam got outside. What prolonged the incident was the > location of an indicator lamp. While the crew was clustered in one > spot trying to figure

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-09 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Three Mile Island's containment worked. Only a small amount of radioactive steam got outside. What prolonged the incident was the location of an indicator lamp. While the crew was clustered in one spot trying to figure out where all the water they were pumping into the core was going, the light

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 March 2019 21:40:10 andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 17:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Electricity could with the right push, be solar. > > I would rather it was fusion. > > it looks like we can get by at the current level with renewables. One > day a couple of years ago the U