On 3/10/19 2:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable
CA dictatorship is going to bring us to Venezuela life style very soon. These idiots don't have a clue what they are legislating. This is first winter in over 30 years I haven't seen sun for more than few hours since Christmas. Keep dreaming about solar in case like that.
You get about 17 megawatt hours ($2800 at my current rate) from one $400 panel before the 20 year warranty expires. That is a 30% rate of return on the initial investment. Itis no wonder that Telsa is offering to place panels on your roof for free, but they retain ownership of the panels. They just want your roof. A 30% return on investment look good to them.
That's a lot of bull. People don't have a clue how solar panels are produced, how much lead is in them, and how are they disposed after they stop generating any electricity.
THere is also a law requiring panels of every new home. With a law making everyone by pannels and a company in effect offring to give to away free the market will "explode".
That's how communist regime dictated all kind of crap when I grew up under it. They have yet to build a sewer system in the area I come from.
Can fusion compete economically. It's hard with the competitor is free solar. What to invest in? Easy energy storage. With nearly free daytime power and expensive night time power the idea is to buy power inthe daytime and sell it at night. Local utilities doths, we have a few reservoirs where the power company pumps water up hill when the cost of power is low and then runs the water to a lower reservoir and sells the hydro-power when the cost is high. Re-use the water a few times.
How about water dams that were producing electricity but they blew them up so that salmon can swim upstream again?
Tesla is sells every battery they can build both to end users and power utility companies. They make LiPo battery banks as large as shipping containers. The economic incentive is "insane" The "buy low sell high" cycle is very predictable and you make a 50% per day profit on buying and selling power based on time of use.
How clean is that when Tesla car explodes on the road or in some garage? Remember they are subsidized in large part by taxpayers. What about mining for minerals used in batteries or solar panels in South America or China? CA hypocrites offset pollution to poorer parts of the world. They collect old PCs and ship them to Africa for dismantling in unhealthy conditions.
Not far from T plant used to be Solyndra, a company just a bikeride north of my home few years ago. Potus made a big speech in front of it, now it's long gone together with politicians that pocketed $$$ before little investors realized what happened.
Fusion will be expensive and solar is already making people a ton of
Only profiteers that pay off soviet style politicians. You want a "solar company" to use your roof rent free and claim you have a profit? What about roof leaks, cleaning, etc. I have yet to see that happen for free. Talked to a number of panel installers etc. Nobody is paying for using your roof. It's a scam in large part for people to add to their house mortgage. What good is "free solar power" on my house when I go to work but have no way to store it for evening use?
I bought 5 panels a few years ago, but clueless neighbor let palm tree grow tall enough for shadow to creep on my side!
money. There will be a use for fusion power but it is at least 50 years away and by then most of the world will be on renewable power.
What the hell is renewable power? There is no such thing. Energy is only transferred from one form to another. Some transformations are more effective and profitable than other.
But yes, there will always be a need for baseload especially as cars go electric after the bans on gas cars take effect. The electricication of the entire transport system will keep the demand side going.
That makes no sense. Try to drive from CA to Alaska, Nevada, Utah, and more with electric car! Hybrid in some areas perhaps but battery powered no way. Inventors should be rewarded instead of punishing regular folks for using what's working for them.
They started to build "fast train from SF to LA" that's now falling apart. Public transportation in Silicon Valley is awful! Train extension BART from SF to South Bay is under construction for over 2 years. All I see is lights in the parking structures and railroad but no trains.
Based on what I see on TV, Japan is the only country in the world that knows how to modernize trains or build new ones. Others go there to see how to do it.
This OT is way too long. I wish we spend time discussing about new minicomputer architecture for CNC use instead of failed political dreams and techno scams.
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