Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Jérémy Zurcher
On Thursday 31 May 2018 21:35, Vincent Torri wrote : > I am very sad about how behaviors are these days. > > But i would like to recall that, whatever you think about raster, > whatever has been said behind the scene, he is the one who started > everything, the EFL and E. > > Vincent You

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Andrew Williams
Hi, It makes me very sad to see how fast EFL work slips to the blame game when there is a problem. If the process is not working then focus on that not the person please. This was the result of a large amount of work that was required for the next release - if folk worked together to deliver

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Al Poole
I don't think anyone thinks that. Maybe we're looking at the "bigger" picture too much (the big goal), This whole interfaces work has been a long slog for most people involved. I think overall things are improving. It seems simple advice, just have to keep going. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:55

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Stephen Houston
If the take away anyone gets from this is that everyone hates raster or raster should quit, then you are missing the point. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:48 PM Vincent Torri wrote: > I am very sad about how behaviors are these days. > > But i would like to recall that, whatever you think about

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Vincent Torri
I am very sad about how behaviors are these days. But i would like to recall that, whatever you think about raster, whatever has been said behind the scene, he is the one who started everything, the EFL and E. Vincent On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 6:01 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Carsten, >

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Carsten, On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 00:24:24 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > i'm ->||<- that close to quitting this e/efl myself. Never do that > what i have seen over the past few months is "bugger off raster - we > don't want you". i'm sorely tempted to make you happy. it'll

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:01:10 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz said: > I've been struggling to find enough keyboard time to handle everything this > week, but this thread (and related discussions) have made me quite > discouraged in the meanwhile. There is far more time being spent using git > blame, and

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Stephen Houston
Obviously I think a lot of people agree with Mike's sentiments here. The community has been on a down turn for a while with excellent core developers leaving or becoming apathetic because of the lack of structure within the project which has led to quality issues, timeliness issues, and even

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-31 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
I've been struggling to find enough keyboard time to handle everything this week, but this thread (and related discussions) have made me quite discouraged in the meanwhile. There is far more time being spent using git blame, and trying to blame people when problems arise in general, than there is

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-30 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Not totally sure how Jenkins works but from what I have seen on the liver office project they use terror. You need three reviews before a patch gets pushed to the repository that way testing of each patch is kind of forced prior to pushing to the repo. Sent from my iPhone > On 29 May 2018, at

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:27:14 -0400 Cedric Bail said: > I have been wondering where to answer on this email thread, but I think that > the first one kind of set the tone and trend for the rest and overall it is a > very good example of bad communication and expectation to say the least. what

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-29 Thread Cedric Bail
I have been wondering where to answer on this email thread, but I think that the first one kind of set the tone and trend for the rest and overall it is a very good example of bad communication and expectation to say the least. On May 26, 2018 11:55 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > i've been

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-29 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:36:47 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Question do you guys have some tinder boxes that will auto build each > commit and if they fail a report is emailed notifying that there are > failures. I am very willing to sponsor a server They have CI, Jenkins locally on E

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Question do you guys have some tinder boxes that will auto build each commit and if they fail a report is emailed notifying that there are failures. I am very willing to sponsor a server Sent from my iPhone > On 29 May 2018, at 05:40, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > On Mon, 28

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 28 May 2018 16:05:11 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > On Mon, 28 May 2018 19:55:55 +0200 > Marcel Hollerbach wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i > > have seen). > > > > However, could you stop acting up like this &

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 May 2018 00:41:44 +0200 Daniel Kolesa said: > On Mon, May 28, 2018, at 19:55, Marcel Hollerbach wrote: > > Hello, > > > > D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i have > > seen). > > > > However, could you stop acting up like this & writing mails like

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 28 May 2018 19:55:55 +0200 Marcel Hollerbach said: > Hello, > > D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i have > seen). > > However, could you stop acting up like this & writing mails like this? > The lifetime of eo objects have been quite a mess, this branch

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread Daniel Kolesa
On Mon, May 28, 2018, at 19:55, Marcel Hollerbach wrote: > Hello, > > D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i have > seen). > > However, could you stop acting up like this & writing mails like this? > The lifetime of eo objects have been quite a mess, this branch

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 28 May 2018 19:55:55 +0200 Marcel Hollerbach wrote: > Hello, > > D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i > have seen). > > However, could you stop acting up like this & writing mails like > this? Maybe there needs to be more so others do not do such things?

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-28 Thread Marcel Hollerbach
Hello, D6224, D6223, D6222 are fixing the issue. (Or at least the cases i have seen). However, could you stop acting up like this & writing mails like this? The lifetime of eo objects have been quite a mess, this branch brought a bit light into the dark, it was not perfect how it came,

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 27 May 2018 08:23:49 -0500 Stephen Houston said: > Okay this is certainly not ideal, but try not to over react here calling > everything horrible and somehow deducing something crazy like not reviewing > patches is somehow better than reviewing patches. Let's give

Re: [E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-27 Thread Stephen Houston
Okay this is certainly not ideal, but try not to over react here calling everything horrible and somehow deducing something crazy like not reviewing patches is somehow better than reviewing patches. Let's give Cedric a chance to clean it up. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:55 AM Carsten Haitzler

[E-devel] latest efl lifecycle commits (from cedric)

2018-05-27 Thread The Rasterman
i've been dreading updating e1fl for the past few days. the dread proved founded. the short version: the batch below is pretty horrible. it leaves enlightenment glitching with garbage windows after a desktop switch or a second or 2. it makes enlightenment's restarts significantly slower (like