On Tuesday 31 Jul 2012 08:28:41 Robert Krambovitis wrote:
> > > -how many choose not to
> > > -how many use drivers that don't support it
> >
> > none - because we have software compositing fallback. unlike most
> > others. :)
> > and it works well. even on the cruddy 600mhz penitum-m test machin
On 07/31/2012 07:57 AM, David Seikel wrote:
> I think it might help Styles -> default if you put all four of the window
> effects on the screen at the same time. Should be enough space in each
> styles row. Then trigger them all on the timer to show the change for those
> that change. Just a th
On 07/31/2012 06:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel said:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>> wrote:
>>> then don't touch what u don't understand. those settings exist because
>>> that's how
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:50:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel
> said:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel
> > > said:
> >
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:50:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel
> said:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel
> > > said:
> >
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, David Seikel wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel
> >
> >
> > said:
> >
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > > > wrote:
> >
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel said:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel
> > said:
> >
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > > wrote:
> >
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel
> said:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel
> > > said:
> >
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel said:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel
> > said:
> >
> > he's complaining about lack of features in e17 vs e16... and the comp
> > dialog hasnt s
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel
> said:
>
> he's complaining about lack of features in e17 vs e16... and the comp
> dialog hasnt split advanced vs basic - its all advanced. all options
> there.
The com
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel said:
he's complaining about lack of features in e17 vs e16... and the comp dialog
hasnt split advanced vs basic - its all advanced. all options there.
> I'll jump into this thread now, but cut out all the verbiage, just want
> to make a simple poi
> >
> > Maybe run another poll, like the previous one with the modules.
> > That way you can have a clearer picture of
> >
> > -how many people use compositor
>
> no need for poll. look at:
>
> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss
Generally you would turn on fancy effects when you want to take a sc
On Tuesday July 31 2012 03:41:21 Carsten Haitzler escribió:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:00:06 -0400 The Wanderer said:
>
> > On 07/29/2012 10:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:38:56 -0400 The Wanderer
> > > said:
> > >
> > >> On 07/29/2012 07:50 PM
I'll jump into this thread now, but cut out all the verbiage, just want
to make a simple point. Wanderer is correct about how hard the
composite settings are to use. I've been an e17 and EFL developer for
many years, and I have no clue what almost all of the stuff in that
settings dialog does. S
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:41:08 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis
said:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "The Wanderer"
> > To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012
> > 4:55:10 PM Subject: Re: [e-user
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:00:06 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> On 07/29/2012 10:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:38:56 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> >
> >> On 07/29/2012 07:50 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> >> ...I'll cut myself off there befo
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:25:09 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis
said:
>
> > > moving to compositing-only is actually an efficiency thing. if we
> > > accept the
> > > future that 90% of people will use compositing, then we make things
> > > more
> > > efficient for the 90% but unfortunately hurt th
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:46:04 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> On 07/29/2012 10:41 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:57:03 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> >
> >> On 07/29/2012 08:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> >>> no - there will be no option to
> > moving to compositing-only is actually an efficiency thing. if we
> > accept the
> > future that 90% of people will use compositing, then we make things
> > more
> > efficient for the 90% but unfortunately hurt the 10% who don't want
> > compositing. the alternative is we maintain a more compl
- Original Message -
> From: "The Wanderer"
> To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
>
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:55:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity
>
> On 07/30/2012 03:16 AM, Robert Krambovitis wrote
On 07/29/2012 10:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:38:56 -0400 The Wanderer said:
>
>> On 07/29/2012 07:50 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> ...I'll cut myself off there before I go off on what could turn out to be a
>> complete tangent. You se
On 07/30/2012 03:16 AM, Robert Krambovitis wrote:
> My email client doesn't stick ">" in front of the replied text...
According to your headers, you're using Zimbra.
According to
http://www.zimbra.com/docs/user_guide/latest/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm
(for the Web client) and
http://www.zi
On 07/29/2012 10:41 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:57:03 -0400 The Wanderer said:
>
>> On 07/29/2012 08:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> no - there will be no option to turn it off. it will be baked in
>>> "take-it-or-leave-it". a massive
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:16:19 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis
said:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carsten Haitzler"
> To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012
> 5:59:42 AM Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17
- Original Message -
From: "Carsten Haitzler"
To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:59:42 AM
Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity
> >> I have no real answers, however as best as I can tell, the first shee
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:57:03 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> On 07/29/2012 08:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:43:27 -0400 The Wanderer said:
>
> >> I do object in principle to any refusal to allow customization, but I
> >> certainly do recognize that prac
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:38:56 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> On 07/29/2012 07:50 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> [that on 2012-07-29 at 16:59, The Wanderer wrote:]
>
> >> On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote:
>
> >>> To change how the comp works, go to control panel -> composite -> ef
On 07/29/2012 07:50 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
[that on 2012-07-29 at 16:59, The Wanderer wrote:]
>> On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote:
>>> To change how the comp works, go to control panel -> composite -> effects
>>> tab. In styles you can change the behaviour (I have everythi
On 07/29/2012 08:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:43:27 -0400 The Wanderer said:
>> I do object in principle to any refusal to allow customization, but I
>> certainly do recognize that practicality must take precedence.
>
> in some cases we have to refuse
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:43:27 -0400 The Wanderer said:
> On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > e16 and e17 are not even the same wm - e17 is a new wm entirely, thus don't
> > expect it to have the same config options, nor even work the same way.
>
> I don't; I do
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:22:05 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis
said:
> - Original Message -
> From: "The Wanderer"
> To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:59:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity
>
&g
- Original Message -
From: "The Wanderer"
To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:59:00 PM
Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity
On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote:
> On Sunday July 29 2012 11:43:27 The Wanderer escribió:
>
>
On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote:
> On Sunday July 29 2012 11:43:27 The Wanderer escribió:
>
>> On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> as such e17 has a boat-load of options already and is perfectly usable,
>>> and imho much more usable than e16. it simply needs po
On Sunday July 29 2012 11:43:27 The Wanderer escribió:
> On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > e16 and e17 are not even the same wm - e17 is a new wm entirely, thus don't
> > expect it to have the same config options, nor even work the same way.
>
> I don't; I do
On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> e16 and e17 are not even the same wm - e17 is a new wm entirely, thus don't
> expect it to have the same config options, nor even work the same way.
I don't; I do know that E17 is entirely new. I simply figured that as it
developed
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:16:09 -0400 The Wanderer said:
e16 and e17 are not even the same wm - e17 is a new wm entirely, thus don't
expect it to have the same config options, nor even work the same way. certain
things have just been dropped as they are "not useful" or "painful to support"
or confli
I am a long-time user of E16. From time to time, I've tried out E17 to see
whether it might be suitable, on the grounds that A: why not, and B: if E16 ever
does "go away" for lack of maintenance, a suitable substitute would be needed.
However, I have never been able to configure E17 into anything s
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