On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 01:26, John Carmack wrote:
> At 07:11 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 14:08, Randall Clague wrote:
> > > I generally avoid marketing, promotion, and advertising, preferring an
> > > "if you build it, they will come" approach.
> >
> >I tried that approac
At 07:11 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 14:08, Randall Clague wrote:
> I generally avoid marketing, promotion, and advertising, preferring an
> "if you build it, they will come" approach.
I tried that approach once. Ended up without money. You can build the
best mousetrap th
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To do all this you would need a marketing team almost as big as the
engineering team. What is the benefit of all this? Credibility. Public
recognition. Cash inflows. Publicity. "If you build it, they will come" is
one thing. But "If you build it and promote the heck
When it comes to technical specs, lying is impossible. That's why marketing
tends to use vague phrases such as "enhancing your bottom line".
Marketing wants to know how you feel. How does space travel feel to you? What
kind of emotion does it evoke? When we know that, then we create images that
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:38:48 -0500, Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Perhaps I missed something, is ERPS getting a $4 million dollar loan?
Wasn't it in Space News? :-)
No, ERPS isn't getting a $4MM loan, or any other. We don't borrow
money (no matter how nicely our bank asks us to). Ho
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:33:21 -0800, Samuel Coniglio
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes marketing is a necessary thing. I am learning a lot about it in
>my current job. In a nutshell marketing is:
>1. Making as much noise as possible
>2. Getting as much coverage a possible
>3. Exaggerating the trut
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> I never said lie. That hurts any company. Enron and Anderson learned it the
> hard way.
You said "Exaggerating the truth as much as possible." To me, that
means "lie." Truth is an absolute; something either is or is not. Either
our engines develop 400 lbs of thrust
Aleta:
I never said lie. That hurts any company. Enron and Anderson learned it the
hard way.
Working in a start-up company as I do, we are constantly struggling for
recognition. We participate in seminars, talk to industry analysts, and
sometimes pay to get an article written about us (it happ
Randall Clague wrote:
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> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:19:54 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >Unfortunately, Sam's point appears to be a current reality notwithstanding
> >your personal experience. It probably begins in grade school, where girls
> >are not encouraged to pursue math, science and engin
Samuel Coniglio wrote:
>
> Yes marketing is a necessary thing. I am learning a lot about it in
> my current job. In a nutshell marketing is:
> 1. Making as much noise as possible
> 2. Getting as much coverage a possible
> 3. Exaggerating the truth as much as possible
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wro
Samuel Coniglio wrote:
> Yes marketing is a necessary thing. I am learning a lot about it in
> my current job. In a nutshell marketing is:
> ...
> 4. Promising the moon, Mars and whatever else that gets people to buy
> our product.
At least in our case that won't be _quite_ as much an exaggerati
>(In the words of so many before me) If I had the capitol, I would do it
> >myself!
> >
> >Sean
> >
> >
> >
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Yes marketing is a necessary thing. I am learning a lot about it in
my current job. In a nutshell marketing is:
1. Making as much noise as possible
2. Getting as much coverage a possible
3. Exaggerating the truth as much as possible
4. Promising the moon, Mars and whatever else that gets people
, 2002 5:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [ERPS] Slashdotters want to be astronauts
Good call, Randall!
Unfortunately, slashdot is not the only place with this laziness. I've seen
interest in space fading everywhere. Space games are in; real space action
is
out.
Whi
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>Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:00:40 -0800
>From: Randall Clague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [ERPS] Slashdotters want to be astronauts
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:13:48 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>If
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:21:09 -0600, Bob McElrath
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Not quite. Have you watched the recent US Air and United bankruptcies?
>The day after declaring bankruptcy, US Air has almost a billion in new
>investments and their stock price jumped.
>
>The ability to consistently get
Randall Clague [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Like Heinlein, "All bills are paid when the ship lifts?" Works great
> if you never want to come back. Or do any business. Or import
> anything. Heinlein was seduced by a nice turn of phrase; the reality
> will be quite different.
Not quite. Have yo
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:41:28 -0500, "Sean Patrick Daly"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm floored at the idea that space access should only for those who have
>fully educated themselves (by school or self) on the intricate workings of
>the launch vehicle that would carry them.
I hope that's not what
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:13:48 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If financed like a house,
>and some insurance company would take it on, the default rate would
>make the insurance costs exorbit(;->)ant.
Does that mean people who defaulted would have to stay up there?
Would they be inorbitants?
-R
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:16:54 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And it will only get worse. If it is not the conspiracy theorists, its the
>whiny "the moon and mars should be shared by everybody" complaints from the
>Europeans and other folks I met at the World Space Congress. Grr. No wonder
>t
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:19:54 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Unfortunately, Sam's point appears to be a current reality notwithstanding
>your personal experience. It probably begins in grade school, where girls
>are not encouraged to pursue math, science and engineering careers.
>Indeed, ERPS has n
On 09 Dec 2002 19:11:20 -0800, David Masten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I generally avoid marketing, promotion, and advertising, preferring an
>> "if you build it, they will come" approach.
>
>I tried that approach once. Ended up without money. You can build the
>best mousetrap the world has e
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 14:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While I commend your "if you build it, they will come" approach, we still need
> to figure out "what people will really shell out money for" as opposed to
> "what people think is neato."
>
I think there is some decent data for a few points o
Because there is no collateral. The only reason that real estate can
be financed, is because the collateral is there, they have the legal
system behind them to kick you out, and real estate prices usually
don't drop much over time. Space tourism would need to be financed
like most trips, cash/cre
Sean Patrick Daly wrote:
Space tourism should be exactly what it is... Tourism. If you can finance a
$400,000.00 house, why not a trip to orbit?
NASA did some studies, way back when. Turns out the tipping point (or
whatever you want to call it) is about $40,000/person. Of course, this
was in
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 14:08, Randall Clague wrote:
> I generally avoid marketing, promotion, and advertising, preferring an
> "if you build it, they will come" approach.
I tried that approach once. Ended up without money. You can build the
best mousetrap the world has ever seen, if you don't tel
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How about we move all the hard core space engineers to a nice island in the
pacific, and start building and testing a reusable rocketship? I'll ask a
couple of eccentric millionaires to foot the bill. (As soon as I find them
:-). Then like in "Kings of the High Frontier
I meant to say "Way-Upper Middle-Class"
:)
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Not so much &qu
capitol, I would do it
myself!
Sean
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Good call, Ran
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Unfortunately, Sam's point appears to be a current reality notwithstanding
> your personal experience. It probably begins in grade school, where girls
> are not encouraged to pursue math, science and engineering careers.
> Indeed, ERPS has no female a
Unfortunately, Sam's point appears to be a current reality notwithstanding
your personal experience. It probably begins in grade school, where girls
are not encouraged to pursue math, science and engineering careers.
Indeed, ERPS has no female active members at this time. ;-<
Dan
In a message da
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> That reminds me, how do you make space exciting for girls and women? It is a
> very white male-dominated field.
[Sam, the following is not directed at you personally, okay? But at an
attitude I find particularly offensive.]
Oh, give me a break. I'm female. No one "m
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That reminds me, how do you make space exciting for girls and women? It is a
very white male-dominated field. Space Tourism is one option.
But that's just me. :-)
All my girlfriends have gotten the idea when I started talking about
honeymoon hotels in zero gee... bu
Randall:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:38:03 -0800 Randall Clague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Space conspiracies are in. I was appalled that
> the Apollo hoax meme
> has gained sufficient ground that David
> Livingston saw fit to ask you
> about it on his show. (You were much nicer
> than I would h
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:34:54 -0800, Aleta Jackson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You've been watching "The Last Starfighter" again. ;-> Aleta
"Great. I'm about to be killed a million miles from nowhere and a
gung ho iguana tells me to relax."
Y'know, that has possibilities. "The first rule, Alex,
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:17:35 -0800, David Weinshenker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So what we need to do is, once we "build it", we characterize its operator interface
>and market it as a video game. (Pilot screening/recruiting technique...)
What would be the object(s) of the game?
I remember a S
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:54:00 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Unfortunately, slashdot is not the only place with this laziness. I've seen
>interest in space fading everywhere. Space games are in; real space action is
>out.
Space conspiracies are in. I was appalled that the Apollo hoax meme
h
design of
the Starfighter space ship.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0087597
Sander
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From: "David Weinshenker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ERPS] Slashdotters want to be astronauts
Aleta Jackson wrote:
> You've been watching "The Last Starfighter" again. ;-> Aleta
Actually, I'm not familier with that show... sounds like I ought to check it out!
-dave w
> David Weinshenker wrote:
> > So what we need to do is, once we "build it", we characterize its operator
>interface
> >
You've been watching "The Last Starfighter" again. ;-> Aleta
David Weinshenker wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I've seen interest in space fading everywhere. Space games are in;
> > real space action is out.
>
> So what we need to do is, once we "build it", we characterize its operat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Good call, Randall!
>
> I've seen interest in space fading everywhere. Space games are in;
> real space action is out.
So what we need to do is, once we "build it", we characterize its operator interface
and market it as a video game. (Pilot screening/recruiting tec
Good call, Randall!
Unfortunately, slashdot is not the only place with this laziness. I've seen
interest in space fading everywhere. Space games are in; real space action is
out.
While I commend your "if you build it, they will come" approach, we still need
to figure out "what people will reall
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:32:26 -0800 (PST), Michael Wallis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Slashdot (http://slashdot.org), the news site for Geeks, is running a
>"What do you want to be when you grow up?" poll as their regular poll
>question. With over 30,000 votes cast, becoming an astronaut is
>getting
Hi ...
Slashdot (http://slashdot.org), the news site for Geeks, is running a
"What do you want to be when you grow up?" poll as their regular poll
question. With over 30,000 votes cast, becoming an astronaut is
getting 25% of the vote. Unforuntately, becoming a potato is getting
31% and everything
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