Here, here!
Pressure on the supply chain has been good for linux -- even the linuxbios
project,
which started down at Los Alamos (a visiting EUGLUG speaker represented that
as well as their clusterings a few+ years back)... by the same token,
though, I
also enjoy seeing traces of the push from the
silver wrote:
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> However if PC vendors have the courage and do decide take the plunge then
> the question is, which Linux distros/builds and hardware models (and device
> drivers) should the various PC vendors support/certify? I'm not sure how the
> "certification" process works now, or what
On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:22 -0800, Jared Ubelhor wrote:
> Due to the overwhelming requests on the IdeaStorm website, it looks
> like Dell has been pushed into selling their computer with Linux
> installed.
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen
That would be me. Sorry, nobody else lays their hands on my
hardware or my OS.
--- Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very few DIYer's, even, do it ALL themselves...
>
> ben
>
It's here! Your new mess
You know, that hurts! Sorry, but I prefer to use the most
reliable parts available so my white boxes are more reliable
than your cheap POS Dell. I don't cut every corner I can to
build a system and I'm not afraid to tell you that your Fry's PC
is a piece of CRAP. Yes you can do it cheap from Newegg
To clarify my previous post, my focus was more in regards to in-warranty
hardware replacement support, rather than on-site support service. A mom and
pop system builder can take a solid beating dealing with hardware warranty
support issues for individual consumer desktop PC's. All those costs often
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For general-purpose computers (ie, PCs), I don't see how this can be
avoided, really.
I'm thinking of physical access, where someone could run a debugger on the
OS --
not the classic MS example of an IIS/SQL server in the closet handling
transactions,
which of course they should be held liable for
I was trying not to but I guess it's time to plug ComputerBase. If we
build it - we support it. You have "the assurance of knowing they will
have access to hardware support when I am unavailable is what I'm
after."
Comparing Dell on-site with ComputerBase - ComputerBase doesn't do
on-site. But
Agreed -- I don't know if what quality of on-site service Dell provides in
this area,
but I think their coverage plans are pretty cheap actually try hiring
someone
on an hourly basis when you're in a pinch, that nearly spells S-O-L. :)
Very few DIYer's, even, do it ALL themselves...
ben
O
Yes those are my thoughts also. A whitebox puts the onus of support on me
and only me. I can troubleshoot my own stuff when needed. But when setting
up friends and relatives with Linux on the desktop, the assurance of knowing
they will have access to hardware support when I am unavailable is what I
The best primer IMHO is to download Xen and VMware server. Install
and play with it. You can all so google "Virtual Machine
Vulnerabilities" and read everything that lists for you.
-Miller
On 2/26/07, silver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Follow-up... I'm trying to acquire a firm grip on the basi
Follow-up... I'm trying to acquire a firm grip on the basic details (and
issues and complexities) surrounding virtualization. Can anyone recommend a
good well-rounded primer? Book or online resource(s).
Interesting discussion today on /.
VMware-Microsoft Battle Looming
http://slashdot.org/article
Bob,
Your point is very true. I guess what my point was if you are using
white boxes. An let's say you have a processor, hard drive and or
memory failure. You have to deal with that your self. If you have a
supported system by HP or Dell they send you a new part by way of UPS,
FedEx or USPS.
More and more people are not happy with Micro$oft. I think this may
be the beginning of the end. Or at least a major restructuring. I'm
waiting for more malware and viruses to spread from. Windows devices
which include Windows Desktop ( 98, Me, XP and Vista ) Windows CE,
Windows Embedded ( ATM
Actually, there is almost no difference between a white box and any name
brand in terms of roll out and support *if* the white box is quality and
*if* the server is configured right. For example, a Novell (either
Netware or Linux kernel) server with Zenworks; plug in a blank
workstation to the net
I think white box is fine for non-business. Unless you have lots of
money and staff to deal with all the support issues that could arise.
If you have your OS role out down like Google. It's easy, you just
power on the new machine. Let it load up the fresh OS and patches, if
there is any ( 15 mi
I think the real issue is Xen and VMware are stepping stone. KVM is
what you want to be using. Due to the fact that KVM is really new. I
don't think anyone should look at using KVM for production level use.
That does not mean you can't play with it. Load up some admin
application to use in a K
Ben Barrett wrote:
Excuse artifacts; had to crunch it to get in under the limit.
(it *is* an artifact!)
Good one, Ben...
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More on virtualization & Linux.
Novell will not support KVM.
And Xen, like Novell, has remade themselves into an MS out-patient forever,
tethered by a life sustaining umbilical "partnership" cord...ala de Borg.
I find the virtualization evolution highly interesting and the article below
informat
In case some of you don't get Network Computing, this is one of the
views from the corporate world on choices to MS Office. It's starting
to look positive.
Microsoft Office 2007 has hit the virtual shelves--got your pen and
checkbook ready? Or maybe you're searching for an alternative.
If this
heh, just slap a "powered by linux" sticker on there,
we know those megaclusters mapping out oil reserves
must be using all the Good Optimizations :)
On 2/26/07, dooger watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WWII/Korean War-era jerry can, gooseneck attached. (This one never
saw combat, or it would h
That's great for us Hams, eh Mike? That power limit is almost enough to
cook a chicken.
73 Jim KI7AY
Michael Miller wrote:
Hey I just had a vendor send me this e-mail (See text below). I was
asking about the FCC rules for both IT professionals vs Amateur Radio
operators. This is the clearest
> Hey, I just looked at
> http://www.dell.com/html/us/segments/bsd/virtual_office/
> That is funny marketing material, so much like MS Bob!!
> But what does the "BSD" in the URL denote?
> (it is Dell Small Business, backwards, but... berkley? blue screen?)
Looks like it stands for "Blade Server D
WWII/Korean War-era jerry can, gooseneck attached. (This one never
saw combat, or it would have been painted olive drab).
Excuse artifacts; had to crunch it to get in under the limit.
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(Takes an awful lot of energy to break it). Just wondering if hydrogen
won't end up being a dead end; it will cost so much to get to it, it
won't just be robbing Peter to pay Paul; it will bankrupt the economy.
The thing that far too many people are ignorant of is that hydrogen is
not an en
silver wrote:
> If Dell offered I would buy a desktop PC with Ubuntu or Fedora (or similar)
> pre-installed. Or even if not preinstalled, but at least "certified" for one
> of these distributions.
>
> If not "certified" then what's the point? Instead just build a whitebox with
> quality component
Hey, I just looked at
http://www.dell.com/html/us/segments/bsd/virtual_office/
That is funny marketing material, so much like MS Bob!!
But what does the "BSD" in the URL denote?
(it is Dell Small Business, backwards, but... berkley? blue screen?)
ben
On 2/26/07, Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hey I just had a vendor send me this e-mail (See text below). I was
asking about the FCC rules for both IT professionals vs Amateur Radio
operators. This is the clearest explanation I've seen as of today. I
don't know how old it is. I am willing to say it may be the latest
you can get. There
IIRC, they responded to a volume of feedback in their own forums, which
would be the perfect place to voice your preferences :)
http://www.dellideastorm.com/
cheers,
ben
PS - I agree with your sentiments. Since they serve enterprise, however,
I can see why they'd work with RHEL, SUSE, etc...
The article refers to variation in handes, size, shape, and I even found
reference to "platic/poly jerrycans" in other sources (for instance,
documenting the airborne use of non-metal jerrycans)... so it is
like a widget for holding liquid fuel, is there any better description? :)
ben
On 2/26/
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:39:12AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:39:12 -0800
> From: Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] OT -- electric car
> Mail-Followup-To: euglug@euglug.org
>
> LinuxRocks! wrote:
>
> > Im not hip to jerry can
So which Linux versions is Dell pre-installing on which consumer desktop
models?
If Dell offered I would buy a desktop PC with Ubuntu or Fedora (or similar)
pre-installed. Or even if not preinstalled, but at least "certified" for one
of these distributions.
If not "certified" then what's the poin
LinuxRocks! wrote:
> Im not hip to jerry cans, so I gotta ask, what the heck is a jerry can?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrycan
"A jerrycan or jerrican or jerry can is a robust fuel container
made from pressed steel."
--
Bob Miller K
Wow, this DHMO stuff is a heavy topic! http://www.dhmo.org/coverup.html
Fortunately hydrogen is less of a component in DHMO that in propane or other
common sources, so hopefully the hydrogen we use will come primarily from
long hydrocarbon chains, which are *very* efficient to store in liquid for
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:51:56PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:51:56 -0800
> From: Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] OT -- electric car
> Mail-Followup-To: euglug@euglug.org
>
> dooger watts wrote:
>
> > (Takes an awful lot of
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