Still unclear on the concept ...

2003-09-13 Thread John Sheff
Actually, objects in geostationary orbit take a day – not a year – to complete a full orbit.   John Sheff Cambridge, MA   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of LARRY KLAES Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:57 PM To: setipublic Cc

RE: mass drivers for earth-to-orbit cargo lift (was Re: SPACE: Loss of the Satur

2003-09-09 Thread John Sheff
Yep. That's what worked for Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. It got them into the rocket launching business ... John Sheff 12 Inman Street #64 Cambridge, MA 02139 617-547-1353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Reeve,

RE: Computer renderings of Jupiter and its moons

2003-08-14 Thread John Sheff
Hi, Larry,   If you’re going to do that, you might consider adding this link to an animated Europa screen-saver: http://www.xviews.com/europa.htm.     John Sheff Cambridge, MA 02139 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On

RE: $100 Billion Manned Mars Program Funded By Bill Gates,Etc.

2003-04-01 Thread John Sheff
I was taken in - for about 10 seconds.   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: $100 Billion Manned Mars Program Funded By Bill Gates,Etc.   I jus

RE: Our long-term future on Earth and beyond

2003-02-27 Thread John Sheff
But also, there’s good stuff happening. One of our beloved pet projects – the New Horizons mission to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt, is again on track:   http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_horizons_030225.html   The Mars Exploration Rovers are going up this year, so is SIRTF. And n

RE: Our long-term future on Earth and beyond

2003-02-27 Thread John Sheff
When I explain the asteroid impact issue to my therapist and tell her I walk around with a feeling of impending doom, she tells me to join a support group. The First Step is admitting you’re powerless …   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behal

RE: Columbia analysis and space exploration

2003-02-26 Thread John Sheff
In the computer business, "best practices" for disaster planning dictates having at least one backup offsite. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary McMurtry Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Colu

Columbia events

2003-02-26 Thread John Sheff
There’s apparently a desperation in the media and others to jump on any excuse to bash NASA, even at the price of sensationalizing what are routine concerns and precautions …   http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts107/030226kling/   Can we just take a deep breath and let the invest

RE: Life on Europa: So what?

2003-02-21 Thread John Sheff
Wow. So Bob considers evolution to be a goal-directed process, which, after billions of years, culminates in - Bob. At that point, apparently, life has "made it". All the Bobless worlds, like Mars and Europa, are failures. Never mind the fact that, even on this planet, the "bacterial-based" life f

RE: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread John Sheff
. It might be fun to kick that idea around…     John Sheff Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics 60 Garden Street, MS 28 Cambridge, MA 02138 Voice: 617-495-4671 Fax: 617-496-0193 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/       -Original Message- From

Europa discussion

2003-02-11 Thread John Sheff
Here’s an example of people that are talking about Europa. I wish this group was discussing it.         Astrobiologists Say Prometheus Jupiter Mission Should Have Landing Craft By Leonard David Senior Space Writer posted: 12:30 pm ET 11 February 2003   TEMPE, ARIZONA -- Scientists h

RE: On/Off Topic

2003-02-11 Thread John Sheff
anything as exciting as the thought of living in a spacefaring civilization. Maybe someday…     John Sheff Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Cambridge, MA 02138 Voice: 617-495-4671 Fax: 617-496-0193 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/           

RE: FY 2004 budget

2003-02-03 Thread John Sheff
have subsurface "oceans"? The questions go on and on, and the answers will have major implications for us Europa enthusiasts ... ---- John Sheff Public Affairs Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics 60 Garden Street, MS 28 Cam

RE: Test beds of ice

2002-10-29 Thread John Sheff
What a brilliant idea! That's the kind of ingenious and non-linear thinking we could bring to this project. NASA would never have thought of it - it's not expensive enough... - John in Cambridge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-europa@;klx.com]On Behalf Of Schmidt

RE: Some more thoughts on Proteus/IcePIC

2002-10-28 Thread John Sheff
Actually, there is no "Russian section" (or "American section", either) in Antarctica. Under terms of the Antarctic treaty, it's been an international regime reserved for scientific exploration. Under the terms of the treaty, each nation is responsible for regulating its own citizens doing researc

Europa-related public talks

2002-10-22 Thread John Sheff
I just heard about this and it may be of interest to any Europans in the Boston area:   NASA and Boston’s Museum of Science are hosting a series of public talks in the “Astrobiology Guest Speaker Series” on Friday evenings beginning at 6pm. Two of the upcoming talks may be of particular i

RE: [Spaceref-daily] The Mars Institute: A New Resource for a New Century of Mar (fwd)

2002-10-17 Thread John Sheff
I know someone that would debate you. I recall that during the sixties there was some kind of psychedelic cult - 'The Church of the Boo-Hoo Bible', or something - that maintained that the planet Saturn was the source of all evil and bad vibes in the universe. Their proposed solution was to destroy

RE: Life and SETI [was RE: Survival of the Flattest]

2002-10-10 Thread John Sheff
We already are. It is a common technique for detecting 'astrometric' and 'spectroscopic' binaries and multiple star systems. The trick is to distinguish an artificial unseen body from the numerous examples of natural ones. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: So what should the first words on Europa be?

2002-10-09 Thread John Sheff
I’d quote the deck steward on the Titanic: “Alright, who asked for more ice?”   - John in Cambridge   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of LARRY KLAES Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:02 PM To: europa Subject: So what should the fi

RE: First good data on diameters of the biggest Kuiper Belt objects

2002-10-08 Thread John Sheff
We may have to settle for ‘Epsilon Eridani 3’ or ‘Tau Ceti 4’. It works, but it’s kind of unimaginative…   - John from Cambridge   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James McEnanly Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:45 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: New 'moon' found around Earth

2002-09-12 Thread John Sheff
I've seen mention of the possibility that J002E3 may impact the Moon at some point; one source quoted the odds of that happening in 2003 as high as 20%. If that occurs (on this encounter or any future one) would the observation of the impact provide any useful scientific information? I know the A

RE: BBC E-mail: New 'moon' found around Earth

2002-09-12 Thread John Sheff
Of course, all of these objects - J002E3, Cruithne, the Moon, and the Earth - ultimately revolve around the Sun. It's all a matter of definition and we can argue forever about what to call what. Nature will always get the last word... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

RE: The snake devours its tail

2002-05-09 Thread John Sheff
    -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 4:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The snake devours its tail   In a message dated 5/8/2002 9:16:47 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTE

RE: Poll shows low enthusiasm for space program in general public

2002-03-21 Thread John Sheff
Hi, Bruce: Thanks for bringing this to our attention, discouraging though it is. Your interpretation seems right on, but I also had the thought that the poll indicates what a truly abysmal job NASA has done in educating the public about its mission and its accomplishments (as well as how scienti

RE: Budget Redirection?

2002-03-01 Thread John Sheff
The ISS may not be required as a logistical waypoint, but it sure is required as a *logical* waypoint. Any journeys of humans beyond Earth orbit (other than the few quick short hops to the Moon and back - and we've done that, already) will absolutely require studying the long-term effects of mic

RE: Budget Redirection?

2002-02-26 Thread John Sheff
The ISS may not be required as a logistical waypoint, but it sure is required as a *logical* waypoint. Any journeys of humans beyond Earth orbit (other than the few quick short hops to the Moon and back - and we've done that, already) will absolutely require studying the long-term effects of micr

RE: Icepick Website

2002-02-07 Thread John Sheff
Greetings, Hibai, I, too, am learning how to do a web site. Yours looks terrific! I would encourage you to keep up the good work, and please let me know if there is any way I can be of any help ... - John S., Cambridge, MA, USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[E

Cryobot prototype

2002-01-15 Thread John Sheff
Have any of you seen this story about a cryobot being tested in Spitzbergen?   -  John S.     http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-02a.html    

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread John Sheff
Actually, I used to dismiss the claims of the plutonium-protesters, myself. After all, no matter how badly the rest of the government screwed up, no matter how ineptly the rest of NASA was managed, the reputation of JPL was one of total competence. These are the people who prided themselves

RE: Private Enterprise

2001-12-10 Thread John Sheff
Why wait until a lunar/asteroid infrastructure is "reaping profits"? In view of the fact that entrepreneurs have already thoroughly overexploited one planet - Earth - let's levy the tax now. Let's see how far you get with THAT idea; is there any reason to assume that they would like it any better

Rationale for exploration ...

2001-12-02 Thread John Sheff
I'm not sure I totally agree with the thrust of some of the last postings as regards the rationale for space exploration in general and Europa exploration in particular. For one thing, I am not as upbeat as some of you as to the power of private enterprise to provide a robotic and human presence

RE: JFK Letter About US-USSR Manned Missions To Mars & Venus

2001-12-02 Thread John Sheff
Why does this thread keep appearing on this mailing list? I thought we were to supposed to disavow any knowledge of its existence …   -  John S.     -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, Decembe

RE: Moomaw's take on Europa and Pluto

2001-11-21 Thread John Sheff
I have been a long-time enthusiast enraptured about the possibility of finding life elsewhere in the Universe. However, I remain firmly in the camp of those that advocate channeling whatever limited scraps of funding remain after OMB is done Talibanizing NASA towards a mission to Pluto. I agree

Is it all for nothing?

2001-11-16 Thread John Sheff
Have any of you seen the disturbing stories popping up today about OMB threatening to cancel *all* Outer Planets Exploration in the next decade? Check out (www.nasawatch.com and www.spacedaily.com/news/outerplanets-01h.html), which report that OMB is pretty much got their minds set on axing eith

RE: Europa ice thickness

2001-11-10 Thread John Sheff
And for some of us even older (and thus more impatient) folks, I wonder if this is range of ice thickness is something that can be penetrated by radar on a Europa Orbiter or Europa flybys or whatever form the Next Mission will take ... - John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2001-11-10 Thread John Sheff
I assume some of you may have seen the recent stories about folks estimating the ice thickness on Europa based on impact crater morphology (www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0111/09europa/); these studies seem to suggest the ice thickness is at least 3-4 km. If it is of this order (and not much great

RE: ISS Problen Caused By Previous Limitations On Funding

2001-11-09 Thread John Sheff
Not until I’ve plunked down my $20 million and gotten my ride …   - John   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Lavin Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISS Problen Caused By Previous Limi

RE: ISS Problen Caused By Previous Limitations On Funding

2001-11-08 Thread John Sheff
Hi, Bruce,   Please don’t hold back … why don’t you let us know how you *really* feel about the Space Station?   Seriously, I agree with Rick on this one. And I don’t think the discussion is well served by using alarmist words like “blackmail” regarding Russia’s request for the US to pr

Re: Notes on deep-space propulsion

2001-08-21 Thread John Sheff
oomaw wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "John Sheff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gary McMurtry's question > > At 08:02 PM 8/1/01 -0400, [EMAIL

Re: Gary McMurtry's question

2001-08-01 Thread John Sheff
Hi, Scott: My intention was not to denigrate NASA and it's accomplishments but to (as every taxpayer has the right to do) question it's priorities. I'd like to respond to your points as follows: (nothing personal...) At 08:02 PM 8/1/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 7-

Re: Gary McMurtry's question

2001-07-31 Thread John Sheff
True, but I think there is a entirely different factor at work - namely that NASA seems eager to fund so-called "technology-demonstration missions", and then to never capitalize on the lessons learned. For example, the wonderfully-successful Mars Pathfinder mission in 1996 was supposed to de

Focus drift

2001-06-29 Thread John Sheff
Hi, folks, I've been a subscriber/lurker to the mailing list for a while, and (granted that news updates on Europa ARE infrequent), the list still fills my mailbox just TOO often with just TOO much discussion that is off-topic, and REDUNDANT with news that I get anyway from other generalized

Cryobots

2001-04-30 Thread John Sheff
e less disruptive to leave the power source on the surface ice? John Sheff At 09:32 PM 4/29/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >-Original Message- >From: Reeve, Jack W. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:50 PM >

Re: Presentation for a Dutch Class Room 8 years old

2001-04-28 Thread John Sheff
The best one I've seen is on the JPL Europa Orbiter web site: www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire//europao.htm The image itself (which shows a Europa "hydrobot" among some "black smokers") is at: www2.jpl.nasa.gov/files/images/browse/p48326.gif Good luck on your daughter's presentation... - John At