Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I think I agree with everything you said EXCEPT that if coals provides most power, it *is* an issue, and a matter of credibility if you don't acknowledge it. Sure, if there are options to avoid that, by all means, point those out. In fact, it doesn't really matter what % is using those options.

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
But in full disclosure, I am a solar junkie, and if I remember correctly, you are a hydrogen lobbyist paid to undermine EV's in favor of the fool-cell hydrogen economy. Your painting of EV's with the coal brush undermines your credibility too. Bob -Original Message- From: Mark Abramowitz

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > But for 83% of us, it has dropped to Zero NOW. We aren't waiting. In addition to this very important point, there's another equally-important point to be made. Coal is nasty, yes. But so is petroleum. And even those EVs that are powe

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> I agree, but in some areas a lot of the energy *is* > being produced by coal. So there's a need to avoid understating that. I disagree completely. Electricity can be 90% coal in some areas, but if 83% of EV owners are putting up solar or subscribing to wind power then there is no need to condem

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I agree, but in some areas a lot of the energy *is* being produced by coal. So there's a need to avoid understating that. Fortunately, the amount of electricity produced by coal will be dropping fairly quickly. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:05 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > w

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I see "economics" as being much less of a motivator than "green environmentalism". Although I'm a 100% pro EV and Pro environment guy, I do have to admit that operating an EV is not convenient and is just generally a challenge. And I LOVE that challenge. But if you try to sell EV's on economics

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Who would have thought even a decade ago that FORD would be issuing apparently pro-EV news releases? That said, IMO we need to be a little more careful how we use the Ford survey data. It doesn't say that 83% of EV owners are charging their EVs with PV. It says that 83% of them HAVE or ARE

[EVDL] EVent: mecanroc.com Swincar 3hub-emotor EV @Lyon auto show 9/24–28

2015-08-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: 10 Charts on Electric Car Adoption In US Cities

2015-08-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: ~$30k r:200mi GM EV preproduction rendering

2015-08-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: Ventriloquist Fator is Tesla-S EV hooked & waiting for his X

2015-08-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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