Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
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2018-12-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Darryl McMahon >>> Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems) >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag ra

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Dec 2018 at 17:02, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > But when you look at costs at scale, I understand a recent study showed > hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1. Cheaper than what? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = E

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Thomas Keenan via EV
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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I understand a recent study has shown some people are born with the ability to breath under water, after spending several years of practice encouraging maturity of specialized tissues. We have a goal for gene modification so that, in the near future, all of us will have this ability. Peri ---

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Rod Hower via EV
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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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[EVDL] Mark Abramowitz hydrogen proponent.

2018-12-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
...hydrogen is silly.   Lawrence Rhodes https://www.californiahydrogen.org/staff/mark-abramowitz/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181227/1594c76d/attachment.h

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Hi Willie, Apparently there was a study in 2011 and another in 2017 by McKinsey & Co. The 2017 study was the subject of an article in November, 2017 in the publication “Automotive and Assembly”. I was just sent a copy of it, but am not sure that attachments can be posted to this list. I was a

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Mark, can you post the title, author(s), pub date, and include the summary and snips of any relevant findings that address your claim? That would help. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" Sent: 27-De

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
From what I’ve been told, it looked at the cost of complete battery electrification vs. complete electrification with hydrogen. Now, in my view either one would be unwise, but that comparison seems to offer a good look at costs at scale. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On De

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sure. “Hydrogen: The next wave for electric vehicles?” By Bernd Heid, Martin Linder, Anna Orthofer, Marcus Wilthaner I already posted the date. I haven’t read the article yet, so you’ll have to read it yourself or wait until I have a chance. As far as the 2011 study, I only have a presentatio

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles it's easy to read and not very long. (You also have to wonder why a "research" article is available at no charge.) The ar

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Willie via EV
On 12/27/18 6:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I read

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2018-12-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Rod Hower via EV
"Alien invaders could be landing tomorrow.  Maybe they will tell us how to make hydrogen work."In our current situation of the shutdown, I'm sure aliens could explain how this works and receive strong support! On ‎Thursday‎, ‎December‎ ‎27‎, ‎2018‎ ‎08‎:‎24‎:‎55‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EST, Willie via EV

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
The article was purported to be none of those things you mention, but about cost of infrastructure. Is that not the case? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article > https:

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you wanted to hear. If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a primary source on that. We have three fuel cell electric cars in the family. We get where we want to go. But maybe it’s