Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one. Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio- economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never paid that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend to. Heck, even

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie via EV wrote: I assume you have by now looked at the supercharge.info map as suggested. I haven't until now. I have a Leaf (not a Tesla), so supercharger sites are useless to me. My EV also has a range of less than 100 miles, so charging sites spaced farther apart wouldn't help me anyw

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Willie McKemie via EV
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Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
The one in Lowell is new. It wasn’t there the last time I went Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2020, at 9:00 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > >  > >> On 7/9/20 8:29 PM, paul dove wrote: >> It’s definitely possible to go anywhere in a Tesla but they aren’t every 100 >> miles. Sometimes > > That's

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/9/20 9:11 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Willie via EV wrote: Charging is no longer an issue.  Most everyone is within 50 miles of a SuperCharger and SuperChargers are (intelligently) spaced about 100 miles apart on essentially all major routes. Well; if you live in the USA on the east or w

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
It’s definitely possible to go anywhere in a Tesla but they aren’t every 100 miles. Sometimes you have to go out of the way to make your destination because of spacing. Between Little Rock and Tulsa it’s over 300 miles and the computer in the Model 3 long range says you cat make it. I didn’t try

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie via EV wrote: Charging is no longer an issue. Most everyone is within 50 miles of a SuperCharger and SuperChargers are (intelligently) spaced about 100 miles apart on essentially all major routes. Well; if you live in the USA on the east or west coast. But they are few and far between

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/9/20 8:29 PM, paul dove wrote: It’s definitely possible to go anywhere in a Tesla but they aren’t every 100 miles. Sometimes That's why I said "about 100 miles". you have to go out of the way to make your destination because of spacing. Between Little Rock and Tulsa it’s over 300 miles

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
, and in all sorts of >>> manners. I also agree, there are plenty of people who think they need it >>> but don't. >>> >>> Peri >>> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub &

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
This is why I believed that the 2nd Gen Chevy Bolt was the perfect vehicle for 90% of the population. I.e. for 90% of the population it has enough EV range for 90% of their driving. When they need to go further than ~50 miles the onboard generator starts up and you get ~42mpg. It's a shame th

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
States electrically (except Hawaii). Yes, I can reach Alaska as this has already been accomplished; several times. I make adjustments to allow for Please elaborate on your Alaska trips, please. I assume you mean up the Alaska Highway. Last summer, I went as far as Ft St John. I looked

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Depends on the person. Where I used to work there were several people who had 150+ mile commutes, every day. In my current job, I used to travel a LOT (pre-covid). I averaged about 3 trips a month that required flying to the customers location. The trip from my house to the Airport is about

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
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Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
You are the exception not the rule. The data I have seen says 85% of the people go 35 miles a day. I never claimed everyone only needs 100 miles a day. I was also speaking of personal experience driving an EV. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > 

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
I agree! I also found that on days when I had a meeting in the evening that a 2 hour charge after I got home from work while I had my dinner was often enough to go to my meeting or run errands. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > > > 90% of my drivin

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2020 at 0:00, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I've driven EVs since the 1970's, and have never needed them to go > over 50-100 miles on a charge ...When I need more range ... I use an ICE > car. I don't disagree with this. I also think that media pieces about EVs have often made too much of "

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/9/20 3:28 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: How about an answer more like, "my primary car is the EV. A few times a year, I need to go further than its range, so I use car X." Deflect the question, like a "good" politician :) Tesla is now dominating the EV market. With very good reason.

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
July 9, 2020 8:18 AM, "EVDL Administrator via EV" wrote: > On 8 Jul 2020 at 23:39, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > >> Used to be, I am out of touch, that less than 100°F and 100% SOC was a >> recipe for significant battery degradation. > > I thought it was the other way round - that lithium cells

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
How about an answer more like, "my primary car is the EV. A few times a year, I need to go further than its range, so I use car X." Deflect the question, like a "good" politician :) We have the Leaf (2011) and it is our primary car. Even with its horribly degraded range, it is almost exclusive

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I may be the exception, but I think you are misusing the statistic. To say 85% of the people go 35 miles a day says nothing about how often they go, say, 150+ miles in a day. We need a statistic something like: 70% of people exceed 150 miles a day 5 times a year. This is a completely different

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> 90% of my driving is local, 90% of my driving is EV. > That's not 100%; but the perfect is the enemy of the good. > I'm not willing to pay the Tesla premium > for a perfect 100% EV solution. If more people realized this, more of them would purchase EV's. I'm frequently asked by interested peop

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
>From: paul dove via EV >I would say that is only because people fictionally think they need a 300+ >mile range. My i-MiEV goes 40 miles now after 8 years 65 miles new and rarely >will it not go where I need to go... I love that car and while the range cuts >it close sometimes I think With 100

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Paul, 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent something for the exceptions. Using myself as an example, I need a vehicle that can go 200 miles RT for excursions to the mountains. I go 20-25 times a y

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
I would say that is only because people fictionally think they need a 300+ mile range. My i-MiEV goes 40 miles now after 8 years 65 miles new and rarely will it not go where I need to go. I have a Tesla now and it’s so much nicer I drive it most of the time. But before COVID I drive the Mitsubis

Re: [EVDL] Electric Cars vs Small Electric Trucks (made of Unobtanium)

2020-07-09 Thread Denis Boutet via EV
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[EVDL] Electric Cars vs Small Electric Trucks (made of Unobtanium)

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
> The Tesla 3 is a nice long range car or Chevy Bolt etc It’s more of a > direct fit to make an electric car since most folks have a fixed mission > profile, back and forth to work everyday with a few side errands. A truck is > hard, the distance is usually variable and the load (either haul

[EVDL] LiFePo4 Cycles? Not 1M

2020-07-09 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi When I used to convert gassers to EVs and used Thundersky and Calb LiFePO4 batteries, I’d get about 50k miles or 1K cycles with balancersThe range would drop down some and stop making the 50 mile round trip to GE Renewable Energy (also about that time got bored with driving that particula

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Bill Dube via EV
LiFePO4 only has about half the specific energy of metal oxide (like cobalt) cells. Because they are such low impedance (high specific power) you can reduce the weight of the cooling system, (or perhaps eliminate it entirely) but that in not nearly enough weight to make up the difference in an

[EVDL] Ford should rush-in &reap-havoc w/ an Escort Wagon EV

2020-07-09 Thread evln via EV
https://www.hotcars.com/ford-should-make-legacy-model-electric-asap/ Ford Should Make This Legacy Model Electric ASAP 2020-07-01 Ford could charge in and reap havoc by re-introducing an all-electric version of the Escort Wagon. As the car market moves into the all-electric space, there appears to