Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Jay Summet via EV
After something like 7 or 9 price rises in the last year, Teslas are massively overpriced. Tesla now makes the highest profit margin of any US automaker. Interesting way to "change the world," eh? My understanding is that they make the highest number of EV's of all the manufactures (in th

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> why fault them for profiting from their groundbreaking work? Oh sure, I get that. Problem is, they came on at first promising affordable transportation. Then the Musk-cult mentality took over, and now they produce high-end vehicles for people with disposable income who don't mind laying it o

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 12/11/2022 8:18 AM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: Oh sure, I get that. Problem is, they came on at first promising affordable transportation. Then the Musk-cult mentality took over, and now they produce high-end vehicles for people with disposable income who don't mind laying it out for somethin

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
There's lots of malaise Tesla - and all the manufacturers, for that matter - could impose. For example, certain sensors could "stop working" after some particular time. Or, the right rear door lock could stop functioning properly. In the worst case, they could brick the car. It may be difficult

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Lee Hart via EV
John Lussmyer via EV wrote: So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow production at a high rate and be able to product a LOT more vehicles? Henry Ford did. So did VW. Success can be found by selling

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 12/11/2022 9:32 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: John Lussmyer via EV wrote: So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow production at a high rate and be able to product a LOT more vehicles? Henry Ford di

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> won't have enough cash to grow production at a high rate and be able to > product [produce] a LOT more vehicles? No, as I said, and you quoted, I get that. I guess I am bemoaning, generally, the direction that vehicle, and apparently all manufacturing is going. I know two people who sold li

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> So, why isn't the Nissan Leaf outselling Teslas? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with its appearance, could it? ;-P NOTE! NOTE! NOTE! NOTE! NOTE! NOTE! Due to an overload of spam and other issues, I've decided to deactivate my Juno mail account. All new messages should be directed

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Steves via EV
I think Tesla started off right. Sell a very expensive high performance EV. It let them figure things out on the way and provided good profit margins at low volumes. BUT they did indicate the long goal was affordable EVs and they touched that goal briefly before dropping ‘basic’ models in favor

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Lee Hart via EV
John Lussmyer via EV wrote: On 12/11/2022 9:32 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: John Lussmyer via EV wrote: So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow production at a high rate and be able to product a LOT m

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Nathan Loofbourrow via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread paul dove via EV
e - so that they won't have enough cash to grow >>production at a high rate and be able to product a LOT more vehicles? >> >___ >> >Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> >No other addresses in TO and CC fields

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Matt Lacey via EV
Why not both? Sell a very large number of very expensive vehicles with high margin On 12/12/2022 1:32 am, Lee Hart via EV wrote: John Lussmyer via EV wrote: So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
of the rest of us > >>can't -or won't- afford. > >> >So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low > >>profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow > >>production at a high rate and

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
h rate and be able to product a LOT more vehicles? >> >___ >> >Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> >No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> >HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> > >> >>

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread Robert Johnston via EV
icles for people with disposable income > >>who don't mind laying it out for something most of the rest of us > >>can't -or won't- afford. > >> >So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low > >>profit margin vehicle - so that th

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
t;> >>Oh sure, I get that. Problem is, they came on at first promising > > >>affordable transportation. Then the Musk-cult mentality took over, and > > >>now they produce high-end vehicles for people with disposable income > > >>who don't mind layi

Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

2022-12-11 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 11 Dec 2022 at 20:32, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Regardless, my main point is Tesla (and others) *could* brick cars or > certain functionality. But I don't think they will because of enormous > public backlash. You have more confidence in corporations than I do. Who really likes paying