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Collin Kidder via EV wrote: my biggest problem with things like the Aptera is really safety. All other things being equal, safety in a crash comes down to energy transfer. And, energy is a function of mass and speed. That's true, but all things are *not* equal. Fatality rates are a function n

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With that logic it's time to start commuting in a cement truck!  No thanks, I'll continue driving my 2014 Chevy Volt and 2000 Honda Insight and tempt fate!.  I see a guy riding an electric scooter almost everyday on a main rode on the way to work with a backpack.  Not sure how long he'll last,

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10wh/mi is extremely dubious. It'd be great if that were physically possible at realistic speeds but it just isn't. But, my biggest problem with things like the Aptera is really safety. All other things being equal, safety in a crash comes down to energy transfer. And, energy is a function of mass

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Okay so we have some good conversation going here.  I'll try to keep this is short as possible.  I am actually happy that some may believe the Aptera might achieve 100 wh/ mi or 10 miles per kWh.  I'm really not sure that can be done but we will see and yes I would like to see some actual range

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As I said before, raising efficiency rather than jamming in a monster battery is a Good Thing. If we can believe the claims for Aptera, in that respect it's on the right track. I want to see the EPA/WLTP numbers, but I can sort of believe that it could manage 100 wh/mi. The humble 1992 Sole

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> from my experience with my 1985 electric Avanti > I get more interest than the Tesla parked next I've been finding this true for a while now. When my factory-conversion 1981 Rabbit is parked a few spaces down from any Tesla, I see people inspecting it or taking selfies alongside it. I get ap

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Seems like a lot of comments about the Aptera so first I would say the Aptera is not a motorcycle, it is classified as an autocycle which has features such as three wheels, a steering wheel and the driver is enclosed.  It is probably true that in many states it is considered as a motorcycle for

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>Again, I like Aptera's fundamental principles.  We can use that kind of >thinking, and that kind of EV.  But in my view, the PV is a gimmick that >just pushes the price up.  I also have my doubts about the wheel motors.  >I wish Aptera the best and hope it takes flight, but I wouldn't invest

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On 9/5/23 17:51, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: 2. It's limited. It can't carry much cargo or many people. This again raises the value-for-money question. It might have around 80 miles less range, but in parts of Europe a similar price gets you a Dacia Spring EV that can haul 4 people in rel

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I like what Aptera is trying to do. Tackling the question of range by boosting vehicle efficiency rather than cramming in a monster-capacity- battery is admirable - and rational. The problem is that auto buyers aren't very rational, especially in the US. 1. The Aptera looks ... funny. It's s

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Michael Ross via EV wrote: Boy, would I like this to work. I must say that, on vehicle solar charging seems to me a marketing strategy, not a useful design feature. I agree. Their numbers sound like best-case marketing claims, rather than typical-use cases. ...1000 watts per square meter ..

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Boy, would I like this to work. I must say that, *on vehicle, solar charging* seems to me a *marketing strategy*, *not a useful design feature*. Here in central NC we get, at very best, 1000 watts per square meter, that is not all day long, maybe 6 hours of peak sun. We don't get that daily by any

[EVDL] (EVDL)EV charging is changing

It is interesting to note in all this discussion of charging that Aptera, long before the OEMs decided to go with the Tesla plug, actually submitted a petition for adoption of the Tesla plug nationwide.  Of course, most people thought that was a stupid idea and figured it would never happen.  Ho

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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 04:18:24 PM PDT, Lawrence Rhodes wrote: Level 2 charging is trivial and inexpensive if you have a 240 outlet close to your vehicle. A Tesla portable EVSE is $230. j1772 adapter from Tesla is $60.00. This setup will connect most EVs to the grid. Lawren

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On 30 Aug 2023 at 18:28, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Exactly! So why is this never mentioned in any public discussion of EVs > by the various reviewers, talking heads, and pundits? Every single > article or news program I've seen or heard ignores home charging, and > instead stresses the "need" fo

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Was that a rhetorical question? I think we all know why. It is called "big business", including big oil and media and, more and more, big gov't. Big business is vested in the status quo. I believe it is up to those who have some experience with EVs to spread the word...word of mouth. Tha

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Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: Level 2 charging is trivial and inexpensive if you have a 240 outlet close to your vehicle. A Tesla portable EVSE is $230. j1772 adapter from Tesla is $60.00. This setup will connect most EVs to the grid. Exactly! So why is this never mentioned in any public di

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[EVDL] EV charging is changing - Tesla NACS vs CCS

https://chargedevs.com/features/ev-charging-is-changing-part-2-no-nacs-is-not-to days-tesla-connector/ Here's part 2 and https://chargedevs.com/features/ev-charging-is-changing-part-3-why-teslas-nacs-i s-unlikely-to-kill-ccs/ Part 3 My only complaint about the Tesla plug and inlet

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Clearly we are in a period of transition. Like many here I charge at home but also at work. The worm appears to have turned and EVs as a major part of the transportation system seem to be inevitable. Tesla has their network. Some automakers have decided to adapt to that. Others are planning a sep

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My 2014 Volt only has 46 miles of range.  I drive 21 miles to work and charge there at Chargepoint for 10 cents per kWhr.  I have 240Vac at home and charge there as well.  98% of my travel is electric.  I take some work trips that are less than 500 miles and then use gas.  I guess it's more of

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That's great except for traveling and apartment dwellers. I only use the supercharger when on the interstates. My non-Tesla EV  I only use in the city and charge at home. On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > One of the reaso

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EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they needed someone to empty them of the change. It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful

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There own cheapness brought them to Tesla. They didn’t want to pay for it. Wanted the government or someone else to foot the bill. Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 12:44 PM, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: https://chargedevs.com/features/how-automakers-disappointme

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On 8/28/2023 6:34 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: John Lussmyer via EV wrote: And have the machines broken off their stands and stolen - just like happens to store ATM machines. Wouldn't it depend on how much they charge per hour, or per KWH? Nobody steals parking meters. There isn't enough money

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om: EV On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 5:13 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: EV List Lackey > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing > > On 28 Aug 2023 at 10:40, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > > > How automakers

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John Lussmyer via EV wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash?  There'd be no need for them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. And have the machines broken off their sta

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On 8/28/2023 5:13 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: BTW, it's unnerving that, from what I've read, self-driving cars also rely on the mobile phone network. Some may, Tesla doesn't require it.  (at least, not continuously, just needs to be able to fetch map data now and then for navigation and

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On 28 Aug 2023 at 10:40, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into > Tesla's arms I've read - probably here - that one of the sources of the charging points' reliability problems is the state of the mobile phone network. BTW, it's unnervin

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I would like to say the following is surprising but really it is not.  Obviously, VW did the bare minimum they could get away with and it shows.  "Overall, this year's developments reflect deep dissatisfaction among automakers other than Tesla with the state of US fast charging-accompanied by

[EVDL] EV charging is changing

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