Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Production EVs are developing rapidly, if not as rapidly as smartphones. I'd guess that that's one reason that leases are popular. It may also be one reason that they depreciate faster than ICEVs. Just look at two year old smartphones (when sold outright, not on a mobile contract). Most cost

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I'd say the problem is that "Mr. Market" won't buy a product with extremely > long life. You may well be right. At the same time, reliability is a popular selling feature, and, if somebody can make a durable battery that's not much more ex

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lee Hart wrote: you have to expect that the batteries will get worse over time. All batteries do. Ben Goren wrote: True in practice for today's EVs, but _not_ true as an absolute rule. Iron Edison-style batteries have functionally limitless lifespans, though they're much too heavy for use in a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Stock price is irrelevant to the value of a company's used product. Frequently also irrelevant to the value of the underlying company. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >> 'Leaf’s depreciation is comparable to a pack of Sharpies left out in the sun >> with

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Mark Abramowitz wrote: > >> Stock price is irrelevant to the value of a company's used product. >> Frequently also irrelevant to the value of the underlying company. > > Agreed. Stock price was just an easy way to demonstrate that the mark

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ed Blackmond via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >> 'Leaf’s depreciation is comparable to a pack of Sharpies left out in the sun >> with their caps off' > > Hyperbole aside, the used price of something is irrelevant unless you need to > sell it. > Or if you want to buy it. I have no intent

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz wrote: > Stock price is irrelevant to the value of a company's used product. > Frequently also irrelevant to the value of the underlying company. Agreed. Stock price was just an easy way to demonstrate that the market price for something does not always reflect its value. In parti

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > And of course, you have to expect that the batteries will get worse over > time. All batteries do. True in practice for today's EVs, but _not_ true as an absolute rule. Iron Edison-style batteries have functionally limitless lifespans, tho

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Lee Hart via EV
'Leaf’s depreciation is comparable to a pack of Sharpies left out in the sun with their caps off' Hyperbole aside, the used price of something is irrelevant unless you need to sell it. For example, Tesla's stock price is a roller-coaster. It was at 287 in Sept 2014, and down to 181 in March

[EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread brucedp5 via EV
“Honey, should we get these hand towels? Or a used Nissan Leaf?” 'Leaf’s depreciation is comparable to a pack of Sharpies left out in the sun with their caps off' http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-used-nissan-leafs-are-incredibly-cheap-1743475298 Holy Crap, Used Nissan Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap 11/