Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
-Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries Yep, areo drag is proportional to square of the speed: 1/2 * Cd * A * air

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
standard temperature and pressure. speed: in meters/second will give you the resistance (i.e. force) in N (newtons). Peri -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 26-Jul-14 2:23:20 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybri

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Jul 2014 at 8:24, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > At 55 MPH with the 4.11 is 3000 RPM; with a single AC-51, that's 22 hp. > The single motor would be okay... At the slow end...1000 RPM is ~19 > MPH. Five horsepower might not cut it by itself, and 15 MPH school > zones might be a problem... IIRC,

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Ben, you are right. *if* you can find a 6:1 rear end > (the highest that my vehicle can be equipped with is 4.2:1) The car has an 8" rear end, which will go up (down) to 4.11. There's a shop in town that'll build a custom 9" rear en

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: Ben Goren [mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:42 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EV

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi Ben and All,     Since a de-ICE'd Mustang is fairly light a good combo is 2 longer 6.7'' motors ADC   L91 or D+D  ES-31 will give you everything you need depending on the battery, controller you get. Remember this is what the Killacycle uses too so as much power as you want.

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Cor. I think I'm still having a hard time warping my head 'round torque and power requirements and all the rest. I'm thinking I need some good way to calculate (or at least guesstimate) *actual* power requirements so I can compare with what I'm seeing on the

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
/www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Goren [mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 4:21 PM > To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid M

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
rumpetpower.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 4:21 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race > car

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Fri Jul 25 16:29:35 PDT 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, "Roland" wrote: > >> I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs. I >> click up there site that was sent to you (hybrid auto center.com) and one >> battery pack is rated at 182V nomin

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
I am having some difficulty in visualizing your project. Are you putting two AC-51 motors in the line with the drive shaft? The drive shaft moves up and down and front to back, with the motors there is not going to be any length of shafting to give the rear axle sufficient travel to drive on a norm

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > Two strings of 45 gets 200 kW with 20 kWh at 500 pounds for $3900 -- > something *much* more reasonable than anything I had calculated earlier. Hmmm...I found a bug in the spreadsheet; cost is $7200...but still moving in the right directio

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
http://www.a123systems.com/ On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote: > Too bad A123 went under. Their cells would have been PERFECT. > > You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve > electrics (and possibly others, but I haven't seen them elsewhere).

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, "Roland" wrote: > I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs. I > click up there site that was sent to you (hybrid auto center.com) and one > battery pack is rated at 182V nominal at 12kw/h. Contains 24 modules at > 7.8V/60ah each for $

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race > car? Well, each AC-51 is rated for ~80 kW; I'm assuming a pair is ~160 kW -- which is about the same as the 260 motor in the car already. Seemed to me that that

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Roland via EV
- Original Message - From: Ben Goren via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: EVDL Administrator<mailto:evp...@drmm.net> ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries O

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get > absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price). > > As with so many other things : go

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 07/25/2014 04:59 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: I'd appreciate if somebody can check my math on the current leading candidate. It's a Voltronix 3.2V 60Ah 8C cell that EVWest sells for $78 / ea: I haven't been following this discussion closely, but this is an ICE with a motor assist? Do you r

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get > absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price). > > As with so many other things : go far, go fast, go cheap : pick two. :-\ I'd love to pick j

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Jul 2014 at 23:59, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote: > Too bad A123 went under ... > > You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules ... > You might also try looking into Dow Kokam cells (www.kokam.com). ... That's what I was thinking of when I said a while back, "If you expect sporty, Mu

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Apollonio via EV
Too bad A123 went under. Their cells would have been PERFECT. You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve electrics (and possibly others, but I haven't seen them elsewhere). They're more expensive than CALB/Thundersky but better suited to your application. 32Ah/44V at

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
A while ago, I had done some back-of-the-envelope math that told me that I didn't need to worry much about batteries until the time came to actually pick which to buy. Now, thanks to y'all, I'm realizing that this may instead be a show-stopper. To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2 Mustan