Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-18 Thread paul dove via EV
The way I heard the story was that he made big promises but failed to deliver. He had trouble managing money apparently not unlike Nikola Tesla. Here’s an article in Forbes that has part of the story. https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/086.html Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2019, at

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-18 Thread Willie via EV
On 2/18/19 2:42 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I don't think it's unfair to say that Ovshinsky's cashing out to GM may have delayed the introduction of viable mass-production EVs for at least 20 years. I usually argue a more conservative 10 years. I think we can consider about 2006

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-18 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 18 Feb 2019 at 1:06, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Or how fast Nimh EV batteries became "unobtainium" as soon as Texaco > and then Chevron got hold of the patents? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was even before that. I may be remembering with an accent, but I think

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Darryl McMahon via EV wrote: Pardon my cynicism, but what if the oil industry's interest in EV charging stations is not simply a relatively benign profit motive? I'd say the best-case scenario is that the oil industry simply wants to make money off EV charging. In that case, they would simply

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Darryl McMahon via EV
(CST) From: brucedp5 To:ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in Message-ID:<1550388349531-0.p...@n4.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://qz.com/1542499/oil-companies-and-utilities-are-buying-up-all-the-electric-car

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Buy Tesla Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20 >> minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to >> get home and

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: That is where voters come into the picture. Utilities and oil companies can't do anything that the voting majority does not allow, iether directly through their representative lawmakers or indirectly through the regulating PUC. So, go out and vote AND educate other

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: That's a scary thought. I don't see it happening though. And I think the reason lies in the balance between home charging and public EVSE charging. As long as there are enough people home charging, they won't be complacent to demands by power company lawyers. But I

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 17-Feb-19 11:20:15 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: If I know I can always char

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
That is where voters come into the picture. Utilities and oil companies can't do anything that the voting majority does not allow, iether directly through their representative lawmakers or indirectly through the regulating PUC. So, go out and vote AND educate other voters what to vote for! Cor.

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20 minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to get home and fill up there. Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money. What if they pass

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
, February 17, 2019 12:14 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in It's kind of disgusting but I think it's a good sign. Better to have them come on board rather than fight. Further, even if the current start

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2019-02-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
. Different names on the doors, same mentality. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "SLPinfo.org via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "SLPinfo.org" Sent: 17-Feb-19 8:47:58 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

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2019-02-17 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV
This is not unlike the tobacco companies buying up food companies back in the 1980s. They're planning ahead for diversifing their business model. Peter Flipsen Carlton, Oregon On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 11:25 PM brucedp5 via EV > > >

[EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
https://qz.com/1542499/oil-companies-and-utilities-are-buying-up-all-the-electric-car-charging-startups/ Oil companies and utilities are buying up all the electric car charging startups February 5, 2019 Michael J. Coren For decades, oil and gas companies and utilities dismissed electric cars.