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On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Mike Nickerson wrote:
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> let me ask the question more directly:
>
> Efficiency questions aside, it seems to me that converting the methane to H2
> has to have the same emissions at the plant that you would get at the
> tailpi
hard to detect.
Peri
-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Goren via EV"
To: "Russ Sciville" ; "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List"
Sent: 24-Apr-15 8:16:25 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it
On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Russ Sciville
On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Russ Sciville via EV wrote:
> Who would wish to drive around with a hydrogen tank in the back pressurised
> to 10,000 psi?
There's lots of insanity associated with FCVs, but fuel safety isn't part of
it. Hydrogen is much safer than gasoline in that regards. Not tha
Politics is SO frustrating. Big money steering things where they ought
not to go. Fool Cells. Corn ethanol. We have a similar problem in
Texas right now trying to get legislation passed to allow in-state sales
of Teslas. The Tesla lobbying efforts seem very poorly organized while
the car d
ess!
Russ
On Fri, 24/4/15, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it
To: "Mark Abramowitz" , "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List"
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2015, 13:35
let me ask the question more
dire
> ... it seems to me that converting the methane to H2 has to have the
same emissions at the plant that you would get at the tailpipe when
burning the methane in an ICE.
Efficiency also includes economics of hardware. Yes, We will have H2
(mostly from excess peak solar and wind dumping), but it i
let me ask the question more directly:
Efficiency questions aside, it seems to me that converting the methane to H2
has to have the same emissions at the plant that you would get at the tailpipe
when burning the methane in an ICE. The only thing that changes is the
location of the emissions.
bject: Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it
Sure, that question has merit. I only answered his first question.
But the emissions I was particularly referring to were combustion emissions at
the tailpipe...not CO2 emissions, which certainly are of relevance.
But when the ZEV stan
Sure, that question has merit. I only answered his first question.
But the emissions I was particularly referring to were combustion emissions at
the tailpipe...not CO2 emissions, which certainly are of relevance.
But when the ZEV standards were adopted, the driver was nonattainment criteria
po
That's hilarious!
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> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
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> You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon
> Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and
> process it to hydrogen.. all they have to
On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
> It seems like the hydrogen conversion is still likely to create CO2. How
> does the hydrogen cycle reduce air pollution from using methane?
Exactly.
I'm sure the FCV has negligible _tailpipe_ emissions compared with one that
runs on
I think Ben's question still has merit, though. If you start with methane and
take it down two paths, what is the difference in emissions and efficiency?
The first path is burning the methane in an ICE. The second path is converting
the methane to hydrogen and using it in a fuel cell. It see
On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
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> Um...why not just use that methane as is? I mean, we already do -- every
> vehicle with a "CNG" or "LNG" sticker on it is burning methane.
To reduce air pollution. That's why CARB adopted the ZEV mandate.
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On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon
> Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and
> process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add “steam and heat”.
I made as far
Evidently, the readers of Green Car Reports aren't fooled, judging by
the comments.
Peri
-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Bruninga via EV"
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 23-Apr-15 3:19:05 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it
You should also watc
You should also watch Toyota's new video which says the car can run on
Elon Musk's "bull$$it "comments and show how they can take cow manure,
and process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add "steam and heat".
DUH, No mention of what fossil fuel they are using to get that steam and
heat?
ht
You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon
Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and
process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add “steam and heat”.
DUH, No mention of what fossil fuel they are using to get that steam and
heat?
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