On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
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>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
>> wrote:
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>>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV wrote:
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>>> The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought
>>> and paid for is the property
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV wrote:
>>
>> The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought
>> and paid for is the property of the state.
>
> Huh?
>
> The Certificate of Title establishes
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV wrote:
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> The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought and
> paid for is the property of the state.
Huh?
The Certificate of Title establishes *you* as owner of the car. Not the state.
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On Tue Apr 28 11:43:40 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>If you actually believe that then try not putting the "State's" license plate
>on "your car". When you bought 'your car' the dealer sent the certificate of
>origination to the state. The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title.
>
Really?
If you actually believe that then try not putting the "State's" license
plate on "your car". When you bought 'your car' the dealer sent the
certificate of origination to the state. The state in turn sent you a
'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought and paid for is the propert
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I expect this to be a pendulum swing, you can understand the laptop folks
getting nervous after the firestorm abou
On Apr 28, 2015, at 1:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> This is not quite the same as the Leaf battery model cited, I guess, but
> it's a similar principle: make it more difficult for the independent
> mechanic or private owner to service the battery.
It also is making the idea of buy
I expect this to be a pendulum swing, you can understand the laptop folks
getting nervous after the firestorm about laptops flaming on on the living
room floor - if you don't tamper well. and it is exceedingly likely a
tamper can go wrong given the wild world of Li ion batteries...as a product
desi
On 27 Apr 2015 at 23:59, David Rees via EV wrote:
> The lithium battery controller on the LEAF is this way. If you want to
> swap an entire battery pack out, you have to be able to reprogram the
> LBC. Otherwise you have to open up the pack and either swap out all
> the modules or the LBC.
It sou
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV
wrote:
> It is happening much more subtly than that. I recently needed a new throttle
> body for my 15 year old Volvo. I generally get all my work done at a small
> independent shop. They keep up on all the latest diagnostic equipment, bu
"That's got basically nothing to do with locking people out of their own
vehicles, and everything to do with basic engineering -- materials science
especially, as well as new manufacturing techniques to permit the use of
stronger, lighter, and more efficient materials and designs."
Yes, that is co
This issue was recently discussed in an a Wired article about John Deer
tractors:
http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/
It is also related to the 'right to repair' legislative efforts taking
place in NY and MN:
http://www.digitalrighttorepair.org/fair-repair/
In short, you may o
On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> being the devil's advocate...
>
> This is clearly not great for the poor or the DIY'r, but the new car buyer
> may have much better cars to choose from, I expect instead of 200K miles
> being common, 100K was a great thing when I was youn
being the devil's advocate...
This is clearly not great for the poor or the DIY'r, but the new car buyer
may have much better cars to choose from, I expect instead of 200K miles
being common, 100K was a great thing when I was young, I am sure with EVs
there will be an expectation of 300K and 400K
The mix-and-match that DC motor fans can do in their EVs is actually not all
that common. Even back in the 1990s, Solectria wouldn't sell an inverter or
induction motor individually. They'd only sell them as a set.
I think Siemens was / is the same. There are probably still hundreds of
tho
It is happening much more subtly than that. I recently needed a new throttle
body for my 15 year old Volvo. I generally get all my work done at a small
independent shop. They keep up on all the latest diagnostic equipment, but
they weren't sure their equipment would be able to program and "fl
Can the auto builder stop you from working on your car???, They can pas that
kind of assanighn bill if they want, but who will enforce it? . Its your
car/truck, you paid for it, and you over paid for it to begin with . The
aftermarket lobby will shut it down faster than a wet fart on a hot day .
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