RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: Friends: Siding with Mark (almost?G) just to a 'wider' view of mentality than implied by physicalistic - physiologistic - even maybe comp-related frameworks, indicating the domains we did not even discovered, but love to disregard. Upon Marks post --- Stathis Papaioannou

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Mark Peaty writes: SP: 'Getting back to the original question about teleportation experiments, are you saying that it would be impossible, or just technically very difficult to preserve personal identity whilst undergoing such a process? As Brent pointed out, technical difficulty is not an

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2007-01-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: So you believe that the Qur'an is the literal word of God? What I was hoping is that you would say Muhammed was deluded or lying, so that the Qur'an is at best an impressive piece of literature with some interesting moral teachings: i.e., what atheists say about

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Mark Peaty
Brent: 'But *your* infinity is just *really big*. There are only a finite number of atoms in a person and they have only a finite number of relations. So how can an exact copy require infinite resources? ' MP: Well yes, perhaps there are only a finite number of relationships, but these

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Mark Peaty writes: SP: 'Getting back to the original question about teleportation experiments, are you saying that it would be impossible, or just technically very difficult to preserve personal identity whilst undergoing such a process? As Brent pointed out,

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Mark Peaty
SP: 'The brain manages to maintain identity from moment to moment without perfect copying or infinite computing power... ' MP: True, up to a point, but I want to quibble about that later [maybe below, maybe in another posting]. And upon more, [and more, and more,] mature reflection I can see

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread João Silva
Hi, I'm new to this list. Sorry for coming into the conversation uninvited, but I would like to post some comments on this :) Hope you don't mind. Brent Meeker wrote: And does it even have to be very good? Suppose it made a sloppy copy of me that left out 90% of my memories - would it still

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread John M
- Original Message - From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life (MP)... because infinity is infinity. But *your* infinity is just *really big*. There are only a finite number of atoms

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread John M
Jamie, thanks for your reflections (I think this is the 8+th or so list we exchange ideas on since 1988 when our friendship started on Prodigy) and I - sort of - agree with Bruno's questioning about 'inertia. I think I have an idea to come closer to it: if you include into that darn Ccness

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
João Silva writes: Hi, I'm new to this list. Sorry for coming into the conversation uninvited, but I would like to post some comments on this :) Hope you don't mind. Welcome to the list. Everyone is free to barge into every discussion. Brent Meeker wrote: And does it even have to be

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Mark Peaty writes (in part): So back to the question: can I be copied? Answer: More or less yes. Next question: Is the edition of me that gets copied then flushed away committing suicide? Answer: Yes Next question: If the copying did not destroy the original of me then who is the new

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, Please be patient for my reply to your question. I'll compose an answer soon on inertia and change of inertia and how I reached the notion of assigning that as the essential-primitive of Consciousness. James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Brent Meeker
João Silva wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list. Sorry for coming into the conversation uninvited, but I would like to post some comments on this :) Hope you don't mind. Brent Meeker wrote: And does it even have to be very good? Suppose it made a sloppy copy of me that left out 90% of my

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread Mark Peaty
SP: 'Is there anything about how you are feeling to day that makes you sure that aliens didn't come during the night and replace your body with an exact copy? Because that is basically what happens naturally anyway, although it isn't aliens and it takes months rather than overnight: almost

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread James N Rose
John, My email pgm sometimes (as now) balks at quote/copying material from emails I'm replying to. So I'll do as best to reply without having your exact words to refer to. re Bruno's inquiring about how I link changes of inertia to Csness, I'll do that in a few days. re Gendankens - I

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2007-01-07 Thread Tom Caylor
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Tom Caylor writes: So you believe that the Qur'an is the literal word of God? What I was hoping is that you would say Muhammed was deluded or lying, so that the Qur'an is at best an impressive piece of literature with some interesting moral teachings: i.e.,

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2007-01-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Tom Caylor wrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Tom Caylor writes: So you believe that the Qur'an is the literal word of God? What I was hoping is that you would say Muhammed was deluded or lying, so that the Qur'an is at best an impressive piece of literature with some interesting