Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread Russell Standish
Hi Colin, I'm having a read through your paper now, and have a few comments to keep the juices of debate flowing on this list. Firstly, I'd like to say well done - you have written a very clear paper in what is a very murky subject. I have two comments right now - but I haven't finished, so

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jun 2011, at 21:19, Terren Suydam wrote: Thanks for the reply Bruno, comments below... On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: doesn't that imply the possibility of an artificial intelligence? In a weak sense of Artificial Intelligence, yes. In a

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2011 6:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Doesn't this objection only apply to attempts to construct an AI with human-equivalent intelligence? As a counter example I'm thinking here of Ben Goertzel's OpenCog, an attempt at artificial general intelligence (AGI), whose design is informed by a

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread benjayk
Hi Bruno, Bruno Marchal wrote: We just cannot do artificial intelligence in a provable manner. We need chance, or luck. Even if we get some intelligent machine, we will not know-it-for sure (perhaps just believe it correctly). But this is a quite weak statement, isn't it? It just

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread benjayk
Hi Bruno, Bruno Marchal wrote: I think that comp might imply that simple virgin (non programmed) universal (and immaterial) machine are already conscious. Perhaps even maximally conscious. What could maximally conscious mean? My intuition says quite strongly that consciousness is a

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread John Mikes
Dear Brent, let me cut in with your last par: *...There is a tendency to talk about human-equivalent intelligence or human level intelligence as an ultimate goal. Human intelligence evolved to enhance certain functions: cooperation, seduction, bargaining, deduction,... There's no reason to

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-15 Thread Terren Suydam
Bruno, I think that comp might imply that simple virgin (non programmed) universal (and immaterial) machine are already conscious. Perhaps even maximally conscious. This sounds like a comp variant of panpsychism (platopsychism?)... in which consciousness is axiomatically proposed as a