Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread John Clark
Craig Weinberg wrote: >No free will = no hunger. No need for it. No mechanism for it. No logic to > it. > Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII sequence "free will" means. > That was my point. Knowing how to eat does not require logic or induction. But your question was "Is it induction that p

Re: How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2012-01-09 Thread Stephen P. King
Thanks Terren! Good stuff! Onward! Stephen On 1/9/2012 2:40 PM, terren wrote: For Stephen and anyone else interested, I asked the following to Steve Grand regarding the capacity of his Grandroids to do self-modeling: "Quick question (and forgive me if this has already come up) - do you t

Re: How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2012-01-09 Thread terren
For Stephen and anyone else interested, I asked the following to Steve Grand regarding the capacity of his Grandroids to do self-modeling: "Quick question (and forgive me if this has already come up) - do you think the grandroids will have the capacity for self-modeling? If so, is there somethin

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 12:56 am, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But naturalism want to explain things by reducing it to nature or natural > > law, > > If you want to explain X you say that X exists because of Y. It's true that > Y can be nothing and thus the exist

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread acw
On 1/9/2012 19:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 12:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are physical. That's the revisionist concept

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 12:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that > >> computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception of > >> computation, defe

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception of computation, defended by Deustch, Landauer, etc. Computations have been discov

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that > computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception of > computation, defended by Deustch, Landauer, etc. Computations have > been discovered by mathematicians when trying to expalin

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jan 2012, at 18:03, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > I don't see any logic or induction in the assertion that the only possible epistemological sources for Homo sapiens must be logic or induction. What other pathway to knowledge do you pr

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2012, at 06:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > But naturalism want to explain things by reducing it to nature or natural law, If you want to explain X you say that X exists because of Y. It's true that Y can be nothing and thus the e

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread 1Z
On Dec 22 2011, 12:18 pm, alexalex wrote: > Hello, Everythinglisters! > > The below text is a philosophical essay on what qualia may represent. > I doubt you'll manage to finish reading it (it's kind of long, and > translated from anoter language), but if you do I'll be happy to hear > your opin