On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> But a deterministic world, if rich enough to add and multiply, and
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Hi all,
You might be interested in a little article I wrote, published here:
http://theconversation.edu.au/learning-experience-lets-take-consciousness-in-from-the-cold-6739
I am embarked on the long process of getting science to self-review.
Enjoy!
Colin
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Brent:
did I say .
"I am *conscious of infinite complexity???"
*If so, I used the word in a different meaning: like I know about. Or
better: I think I know about. (Belief system).
I explained several times that said infinite comp[lex system is beyond our
knowability although we are part of it with
On May 15, 3:14 pm, R AM wrote:
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On May 15, 1:03 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> But a deterministic world, if rich enough to add and multiply, and
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On May 15, 12:56 pm, John Clark wrote:
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If I were beaten by a human opponent, why would
On May 15, 12:47 pm, R AM wrote:
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On 15 May 2012, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 15, 5:29 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 May 2012, at 04:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 14, 2:11 pm, R AM wrote:
I'm saying that decision making, learning, and reinforcement are
possible
in a deterministic world, and you are not deny
On Tue, May 15, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote:
> I don't think Deep Blue makes any decisions or wins chess,
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That's exactly what a sore looser would say after he'd been thoroughly
beaten by a opponent. And so the last surviving member of the species Homo
Sapiens, 4 seconds before the Godlike comp
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On May 15, 11:59 am, R AM wrote:
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On May 15, 7:19 am, R AM wrote:
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On May 15, 5:29 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 15 May 2012, at 04:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> >> I'm saying that decision making, learning, and reinforcement are
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On 5/15/2012 5:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Stephen,
On 14 May 2012, at 19:16, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 5/14/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that when all chemists accept the multiverse
interpretation, they will start work
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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OK, let's take Kasparov vs. Deep Blue, Accordin
On 15 May 2012, at 04:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 14, 2:11 pm, R AM wrote:
I'm saying that decision making, learning, and reinforcement are
possible
in a deterministic world, and you are not denying it. I guess our
points of
view are orthogonal.
I am denying that meaningful decisio
On 14 May 2012, at 22:41, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 14.05.2012 10:29 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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Yet, I guess that even not all physicists believe in multiverse.
When
you convince all physicists that multivers exists, I will start
Hi Stephen,
On 14 May 2012, at 19:16, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 5/14/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno March
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