Re: Autonomy?

On 7/3/2012 10:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: No matter what diary entry I come up with you keep saying it would not disprove your theory because of blah blah point of view blah blah, so I want you to tell me exactly what diary entry WOULD disprove your theory? I will feel to be in W. Confirmed

Re: what is mechanism?

On 03 Jul 2012, at 16:33, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jul 2012, at 23:09, Jason Resch wrote: To summarize our conversation up to this point: BM: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers,

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02.07.2012 22:01 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 12:45 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 02.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 11:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Where to will you place 'description' in the physicalism? Is this just some excitation of natural neu

Re: Autonomy?

On 03 Jul 2012, at 18:02, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Suppose I send the same identical Email to both you and to Craig at the same identical time, you look at your copy and think " when John hit the send button on his computer he could not have predicte

Re: what is mechanism?

Citeren meekerdb : On 7/2/2012 6:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/2/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: To summarize our conversation up to this point: BM: Do you really not see any difference

Re: Autonomy?

On 3 July 2012 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > I'm pretty sure John understands the argument but he prefers to give > primacy to the objective/third-person viewpoint. > On the contrary, the first person subjective viewpoint is the most important thing in the universe, or at least it is in my opini

Re: Autonomy?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Suppose I send the same identical Email to both you and to Craig at the > same identical time, you look at your copy and think " when John hit the > send button on his computer he could not have predicted that I would get > this copy of the Email and

Re: what is mechanism?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jul 2012, at 23:09, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> >> To summarize our conversation up to this point: >> >> BM: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and >> people and numbers, >> JR: Chairs and people are also mat

Re: what is mechanism?

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/2/2012 6:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 7/2/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> To summarize our conversation up to this point: >>> >>> BM: Do you really not see any di

Re: Autonomy?

On 03 Jul 2012, at 12:05, David Nyman wrote: On 3 July 2012 08:09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I'm pretty sure John understands the argument but he prefers to give primacy to the objective/third-person viewpoint. The first-person viewpoint involves an assumption that I am a single person trave

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 23:09, Jason Resch wrote: To summarize our conversation up to this point: BM: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, JR: Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really complex ones with a large information c

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 21:08, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2012 11:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 02.07.2012 20:12 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, Chairs and people are also

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 21:01, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2012 11:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, Chairs and people are

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 20:21, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really co

Re: what is mechanism?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really complex ones with a large information content. This is

Re: Autonomy?

On 02 Jul 2012, at 22:17, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > The profound thing is that in Helsinki he does not know which one he will feel to be, so he is confronted with an indeterminacy Suppose I send the same identical Email to both you and to Craig at

Re: Autonomy?

On 3 July 2012 08:09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I'm pretty sure John understands the argument but he prefers to give > primacy to the objective/third-person viewpoint. The first-person > viewpoint involves an assumption that I am a single person travelling > through time in the forward direction

Re: Autonomy?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:21 AM, David Nyman wrote: > On 2 July 2012 17:50, John Clark wrote: > > And one nanosecond after the copying when one receives sensory impulses that > originated in Moscow and the other receives sensory impulses that > originated in Washington neither would be in precis