On 12 Dec 2012, at 19:54, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I hate to be a spoiler, but, being a pragmatist and nominalist,
to me, the word truth is a stumbling block and a red herring.
To me, the One contains many types of truth, differing
according to their definitions.
Well, all the
On 12 Dec 2012, at 20:00, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:49:16 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 12 Dec 2012, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:03:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg
On 12 Dec 2012, at 20:03, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 12 Dec 2012, at 16:27, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
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This means literally that if the
Dear Craig,
You have much to learn about evolution. there have been a lot of
developments since Darwin. You adhere to a caricature that is outdated.
Almost everything can drive to totalitarianism, The idea that nothing is
innate drives to totalitarian social engineering. the idea that men are
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:47:19 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Dear Craig,
You have much to learn about evolution. there have been a lot of
developments since Darwin. You adhere to a caricature that is outdated.
Dear Alberto,
You make a lot of assumptions about me and what I
Hi Bruno Marchal
As an aside, my resistance to the idea that there is only one truth
comes from partisans claiming that their idea of truth is the only
one. For example, atheists claim that God cannot exist because that existence
is scientifically unproveable. I agree. Instead, as a Christian,
Hi Bruno Marchal
What I don't understand about comp is if there is a UTM that can calculate
whatever is needed to emulate our behavior, how can comp ever be false
(except possibly by those aspects hidden by Godel ) ?
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long
Hi Bruno
I forgot to add the most important corollary to my
discuission of truth as being multifarious--- that of choice.
Choice of belief. Or faith. If there are many forms of truth,
depending on how they are defined, but at the same time
you must at least hang on to one form of truth to
Hi Craig Weinberg
What drives to totalitarianism is the lust for power.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
I obviously didn't say that clearly. The stack of cards
as I called them, being a monad's perceptions, are each a snapshot
of the universe of other monads' perceptions at a specific time.
But since time isn't a feature of monad space, the perceptions are
more accurately
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:32:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Teleology or intending from inside toward a goal is the science of final
causation,
to use Aristotle's term. Because from inside, it requires intelligence.
Such is life.
Or driving a car.
Science
Hi Stephen P. King
Of course, but zinc still remains the same chemical, zinc
Substances can turn into lollipops.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Alberto,
so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a
teleology before life, like me. I don`t find this incompatible with natural
selection
But it is. The big achievement of Darwinism (and the more complete version,
moden synthesis) was to explain the origin of
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a
teleology before life, like me.
Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made of.
I don`t find this incompatible with
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:43:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
What drives to totalitarianism is the lust for power.
People don't always know that they lust for power. They can also think that
they are saving the world, or helping people restore their former glory.
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:40:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Since evolution is evolution of living creatures, who must have the desire
to live and grow and mate,
A lot of living creatures don't mate. While I agree that life is about
desire as much as evolution,
Hi Stephen P. King
Forgive me, but your objection doesn't seem to apply
very clearly to monads.
Part/whole relations in a monad are best understood in terms
of predicate logic. A monad is defined as a complete concept,
that is, a subject with enough predicates to specify it as different
from
You said it:
in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of progress not found
in Darwin's idea
Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory that
explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and may
not happen. For example, child caring and
Craig,
If in your theory sense is fundamental, a hence explains everything,
how could your theory explain concepts like:
Gravity
Quantum mechanics
Fine tuning
It seems you need some formal laws and definitions concerning sense in
order to build from it as a basis of understanding.
What
Hi Alberto G. Corona
It's much simpler than that, I think.
Progressives hate everything resembles anything
held to be good, beautiful, or true.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
My prejudice is that the projection from dreams of the mind is to a
unique physical universe rather than every possible one.
On the contrary. It leads to many-dreams, and it is an open question if this
leads to a
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
It's much simpler than that, I think.
Progressives hate everything resembles anything
held to be good, beautiful, or true.
Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed.
Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were
On 13 Dec 2012, at 04:39, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/12/2012 4:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/12/2012 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2012 9:31 AM, Jason
On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:06, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
As an aside, my resistance to the idea that there is only one truth
comes from partisans claiming that their idea of truth is the only
one.
Those are the bastards we have to fight.
That there is one truth is only a bet on
On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:09, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
What I don't understand about comp is if there is a UTM that can
calculate
whatever is needed to emulate our behavior, how can comp ever be false
(except possibly by those aspects hidden by Godel ) ?
Well if there is a
On 12/13/2012 1:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:09, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
What I don't understand about comp is if there is a UTM that can
calculate
whatever is needed to emulate our behavior, how can comp ever be false
(except possibly by those aspects
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Copenhagen said the choice is made by the experimenter and apparently
Deutsch agrees with this because he thinks it's significant that his AI is
conscious
No Deutsch does not agree with this, I know because I've talked to him
about
On 12/13/2012 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Dec 2012, at 04:39, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/12/2012 4:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2012 9:25 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec
On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what
kind of truth is referred to.
There is one truth. Let us search it.
There are many true propositions, but I don't think they can be collected in a coherent
'one truth'.
Brent
On 12/13/2012 10:46 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Copenhagen said the choice is made by the experimenter and apparently
Deutsch
agrees with this because he thinks it's significant that his AI is conscious
2012/12/13 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/13/2012 10:46 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Copenhagen said the choice is made by the experimenter and apparently
Deutsch agrees with this because he thinks it's significant that his AI is
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what
kind of truth is referred to.
There is one truth. Let us search it.
There are many true propositions, but
On 12/13/2012 2:33 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what
kind of truth is referred to.
There is one truth. Let us search it.
There are many true propositions, but I don't think they can be
On 12/13/2012 2:48 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:33 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/13/2012 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
So I have no conflicts with science as long as I keep in mind what
kind of truth is referred to.
There is one truth. Let us search
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and there are two of them and so there are 2 heres and 2 not
theres. So what ONE and only ONE thing does John Clark the
experimenterenter into the lab notebook??
You are hopeless. I've answered this at least
On 12/13/2012 3:36 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/13/2012 11:46 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/12/13 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/13/2012 10:46 AM, John Clark wrote:
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause harm from a simple
propensity to cause harm.
Free will is an illusion only if you
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause harm
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be
not
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