I am enslaved if someone physically constrains me or threatens me in
order to make me behave in a certain way; this is also compatible with
either type of brain mechanism.
I would argue that people can be as much enslaved by chains within their
minds, and that belief and habit have the potential
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Pierz wrote:
...since first of all the additional happiness in those non-WW3
branches... What I mean of course is the additional happiness in the WW3
branches. The non-WW3 branches are much *less* happy right Saibal?
All these posts about WW3. Did I miss a war?
Because it happened in some alternate universe J
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Subject: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood
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On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM,
On 21 August 2013 03:59, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
It is possible to make the distinction between doing something by accident
and intentionally, between enslavement and freedom, while still
acknowledging that brain mechanisms are either determined or random.
Why would such
A rapid descent into extremism can be caused by factors such as
economic desperation. However, you can also have a gradual change in
society and then people are always indioctrinated that their current
norms and values are correct. So, there was a time when when drawing
and quartering was a
Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
So if the slave AI has a fixed goal structure with the number one goal
being to always do what humans tell it to do and the humans order it to
determine the truth or falsehood of something unprovable then its infinite
loop time and you've got yourself
A rapid descent into extremism can be caused by factors such as
economic desperation. However, you can also have a gradual change in
society and then people are always indioctrinated that their current
norms and values are correct.
Of course we regard our norms and values as correct. They are
Hitler continues to be the most respected historical figure in muslim
countries, as well as in muslim minories in other countries. Therefore it
is not a surprise to me what smitra says.
By the way this third-word mentality and this ate to the first world in the
intelectual elites of third word
Mercantilist plantation systems, economic hegemony of the developed center
and neo-colonialism have absolutely nothing to do with it right? Spud your
world view is limited by the narrow slits you view it through.
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You are utterly full of it. You make these statements like you knew.. What a
pompous blow hard you are.. A very big mouth affixed to an atrophied brain
is a guarantee of stupidity, and you my friend are an exemplar of this sad
phenomena.
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
So if the slave AI has a fixed goal structure with the number one goal
being to always do what humans tell it to do and the humans order it to
determine the truth or falsehood of
That Hitler is the most respected western figure in the muslim word is a
fact.
I know nothing from you except what you say in this thread. The bad thing
about discussing subjects like this is that it attract undesirable people
that really are not interested in the group. What do you think about
On 8/21/2013 3:57 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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On 8/16/2013
On 8/21/2013 7:01 AM, chris peck wrote:
But, in any case, yes, our descendants will view some of our norms and values as
troubling. Just as we do our ancestors. This is because there is a gentle creep away
from barbarity rather than towards it.
But I don't think this is just a moral
On 8/21/2013 11:48 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
That Hitler is the most respected western figure in the muslim word is a fact.
What is the evidence for this? Are there polls?
Brent
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A suggestion don't spam the group with your right wing political ideology if
you are truly interested in the group.
You state things as facts which you have no way of knowing are in fact facts.
You make a pompous and outrageous statement that Hitler is the most respected
figure in the muslim
Rather than speak economic history, which is an interesting topic, I merely
stated what I see the facts to be. More clearly, that when Adolf ran out of
Roma, Jews, and the mentally weak, to gas, and Poles and Great Russians to
shoot, his camps would 've discovered other Untermenschen to
push polls maybe
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On 8/21/2013 11:48 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
That Hitler is
You merely stated what you see as the facts is true; I am sure you do see them
as the facts and herein lies the problem. You have not looked very hard at
history and the evolution of societies and cultures according to the pressures
that force them to develop in this way or that.
Who is
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
So if the slave AI has a fixed goal structure with the number one
goal
being to always do what humans tell it to do and the
We haven't proved our brain is computational in nature, if we had, then we
would had proven computationalism to be true... it's not the case. Maybe our
brain has some non computational shortcut for that, maybe that's why AI is
not possible, maybe our brain has this realness ingredient that
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm fascinated by the question of why we haven't found viable
algorithms in that class yet -- although we know has a fact that it
must exist, because our brains contain it.
We haven't proved our brain is computational in nature,
An interesting discovery -- and topical for a few of the on-going discussions
on this list -- of how much more is going on than we had previously thought was
going on, during the transcription process from a cell's DNA that ultimately
leads to the production of viable mRNA and the expression of
Just follow the tv of muslim countries, and specially, the political
debates.
Google: hitler arab countries television
It can not be otherwhise since te nazis and the muslims share the same
main goal. you know.
Abu Mazen, the leader of the PLO after Yasif Arafat wrote its doctoral
thesis at
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:07:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
But it seems to me that this reset is a magical, impossible
operation. If the human brain is a classical computer then that
means it's computational state can be reset. But it also means the
its physical state can't be reset. The
Plugging most Arab dictators name these days in Arabic yields mass
dissatisfaction equating them to tyrants like Hitler. But what about
“Hitler” by itself in Arabic into Google? What will you find?
Do you mean to tell me that the foundation of your facts is the number of
search results returned by a google search... along with a spurious reference
to some ad hoc quotation -- you cherry picked -- that was auto-generated for
you by the google translator algorithm?
Do you realize just
I mean to tell you nothing. I don't want to waste my time
2013/8/22 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
Do you mean to tell me that the foundation of your facts is the number
of search results returned by a google search... along with a spurious
reference to some ad hoc quotation -- you
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So if the slave AI has a fixed goal structure with
It's not my time you are wasting with your posting of ideological
prejudices; you waste everyone's time with this troll like behavior.
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More hateful stereotyping of a diverse group numbering over a billion human
beings by our very own fascist troll
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Hi Brent
But I don't think this is just a moral evolution. I think it is driven by
technology. As societies become richer they become less competitive and
insular and more compassionate and open.
I agree. I think trade imparticularly creates a symbiotic relationship between
people which
I agree. I think trade imparticularly creates a symbiotic relationship
between people which gets internalized. Pragmatically it makes sense to see
people as friend rather than foe if we want them to buy our stuff and this
pragmatism then gets solidified in our moral sentiment.
Interesting point.
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:13:43 PM UTC+10, stathisp wrote:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Pierz wrote:
...since first of all the additional happiness in those non-WW3
branches... What I mean of course is the additional happiness in the WW3
branches. The non-WW3 branches are much
Well thank you for the lecture on cultural/historical relativism. But the
fact remains (fact inasmuch as it is accepted by mainstream historians,
unlike your alternate universe facts) that Nazism could only take hold
because of the economic privations resulting from the reparations imposed
by
It's probably already been discussed at length on this list, and if it has
my apologies, but isn't the incredibly massive parallelism of the brains
architecture a possible factor and that the mind is an emergent phenomena
made possible by amongst other things the subtle interplay of neuron firing
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:33:06 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On 21 August 2013 03:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
It is possible to make the distinction between doing something by
accident
and intentionally, between enslavement and freedom, while still
Hi Craig
am saying that the ontology of desire is impossible
under strong determinism. Deterministic and random processes cannot
possibly produce desire - not because desire is special, but because it
doesn't make any sense. You
are talking about putting in a gas pedal on a bowling ball.
I
The determined universe might be inefficient, if you like, carrying along
with it baggage that isn't really used. The wants and anxieties would be
implied by the universe's initial conditions and not everything in those
conditions need be functional. I don't see a logical contradiction there.
On 22 August 2013 13:20, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Craig
am saying that the ontology of desire is impossible under strong
determinism. Deterministic and random processes cannot possibly produce
desire - not because desire is special, but because it doesn't make any
Hi Chris / Stathis
I probably shouldn't have used the word adaptive.
I think Craig is arguing :
1) whatever 'feels'/psychological states emerge from the universe must be
compatible with its fundamental nature.
2) Anxiety implies that I really could avoid some feared event.
3) But que sera
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